Ohh FFS! This time it's the frickin Alarm....
Ohh FFS! This time it's the frickin Alarm....
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tvradict

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Got my door locks sorted. So my car is now secure
But, I finshed up, got out, shut door, and tried to set the Deadlocks and the alarm. Nothing, the doors locked, but the dead locks didn't activate and neither did the alarm. Which is a pain in the bum.
On the 01.01 I didn't bother setting the alarm, I just locked the car. Mainly because is went through a spell of going off every half an hour for no apparent reason.
I used to have to set the Alarm from the passenger door, as the drivers door lock wouldn't unlock the car. The technique is (apparently) to turn the key to unlock, and then to lock, to set it, but that doesn't work on either door. I have looked at the activation switches on both doors, and checked all the fuses and they all seem fine.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Stuart!

'93 Orion.

McNab

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Yup...throw away the key

moleamol

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290 months

Sunday 19th January 2003
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Got my door locks sorted. So my car is now secure
But, I finshed up, got out, shut door, and tried to set the Deadlocks and the alarm. Nothing, the doors locked, but the dead locks didn't activate and neither did the alarm. Which is a pain in the bum.
On the 01.01 I didn't bother setting the alarm, I just locked the car. Mainly because is went through a spell of going off every half an hour for no apparent reason.
I used to have to set the Alarm from the passenger door, as the drivers door lock wouldn't unlock the car. The technique is (apparently) to turn the key to unlock, and then to lock, to set it, but that doesn't work on either door. I have looked at the activation switches on both doors, and checked all the fuses and they all seem fine.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Stuart!

'93 Orion.
I had a newer shape escort SI a while back and I'm pretty sure it was lock, unlock, lock and hold for 3 secs to get them all to work.

tvradict

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McNab said: Yup...throw away the key


Hmmm, that's not really helping is it McNab

Now, if you'd said throw away the car........


>> Edited by tvradict on Sunday 19th January 16:32

tvradict

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moleamol said:

Got my door locks sorted. So my car is now secure
But, I finshed up, got out, shut door, and tried to set the Deadlocks and the alarm. Nothing, the doors locked, but the dead locks didn't activate and neither did the alarm. Which is a pain in the bum.
On the 01.01 I didn't bother setting the alarm, I just locked the car. Mainly because is went through a spell of going off every half an hour for no apparent reason.
I used to have to set the Alarm from the passenger door, as the drivers door lock wouldn't unlock the car. The technique is (apparently) to turn the key to unlock, and then to lock, to set it, but that doesn't work on either door. I have looked at the activation switches on both doors, and checked all the fuses and they all seem fine.

Anyone got any suggestions?

Cheers
Stuart!

'93 Orion.
I had a newer shape escort SI a while back and I'm pretty sure it was lock, unlock, lock and hold for 3 secs to get them all to work.



I'll try that!

I'm not if it works differently with the PATS system. (Red chip in the key) but i'll go and try it!

DennisTheMenace

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Have you checked all your pin switches on the bonnet boot etc ??

tvradict

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Well, tried that one, didn't work!!!!

tvradict

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DennisTheMenace said: Have you checked all your pin switches on the bonnet boot etc ??



I'm sort of thinking along those lines at the mo. I have heard of a technique of 'resetting' the alarm by repeatedly tapping on one of the switches until the alarm beeps twice!

When you say checked, do you mean the connections?

DennisTheMenace

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Check all your connections to the siren (on the bulkhead i think looks like a horn) plug a multi meter in at the siren and lock the car to see if it pulses i.e arms the car you might have a knackerd siren , to be honest the standard ford unit isnt the most reliable for abot £150 get a cobra and the you can have remote locking as well as a better alarm system

moleamol

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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tvradict said:

DennisTheMenace said: Have you checked all your pin switches on the bonnet boot etc ??
I'm sort of thinking along those lines at the mo. I have heard of a technique of 'resetting' the alarm by repeatedly tapping on one of the switches until the alarm beeps twice!

When you say checked, do you mean the connections?

Sorry that didn't help mate. If I remember rightly it's the bonnet one that you faff about with to reset it. Could be completely wrong though. What about taking the battery off overnight? It's not gonna be battery backup is it?

Podie get yer arse in here and sort us out lad.

DennisTheMenace

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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I have heard of a technique of 'resetting' the alarm by repeatedly tapping on one of the switches until the alarm beeps twice!




i think its the bonnet pin switch , lock the car with the bonnet open and tap the switch a few times , im stabbing in the dark as i havent worked on a ford system for a long time

DennisTheMenace

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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stu just a thought , there isnt a switch in the door on the locking mech for thr alarm is there ? you may have disturbed that and thats why its not arming ????


moleamol

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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DennisTheMenace said: stu just a thought , there isnt a switch in the door on the locking mech for thr alarm is there ? you may have disturbed that and thats why its not arming ????
Good thought mr menace, there must be a switch because of the technique you use to arm it. This could well be worth a look.

tvradict

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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I know when my clutch went months ago, me and my uncle were under the car investigating and his girlfriend kept tapping the switch until it went off It was like one of those comedy sketches when both our heads banged off the bottom of the car

Cheers Guys! I'll go and have a play!

>> Edited by tvradict on Sunday 19th January 17:05

tvradict

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DennisTheMenace said: stu just a thought , there isnt a switch in the door on the locking mech for thr alarm is there ? you may have disturbed that and thats why its not arming ????






Yes, there is. Affectionately known as the Alarm Activation Switch. It 'Hugs' the lock barrel, there is a piece of black plastic in the moving parts of the barrel which sticks out the end in the same direction as the arm which deals with the solenoid for the lock. This black plastic piece links into a piece of clear plastic which rotates around the moulding of the switch, hitting one of two tiny push buttons, depending on the direction it's travelled. I made sure that the lock was controlling these before I reattached the door panel! I think it may just be a case of needing to reset the alarm!

DennisTheMenace

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Try this its for the mondeo but they have a similar system ....

Anti-

TheftAnti-

Theft Alarm/Double Locking System Service Test Mode

Note:
Only the ajar switch operated to enter the Service Test Mode will be traced for 10 seconds following activation.

Note:
Vehicles fitted with central/double locking and remote control but without anti-theft alarm will not emit any horn beeps. The test results will be indicated by flasher operation only.The anti-theft alarm/double locking Service Test Mode is designed to enable service personnel to trace faults easily.The service mode can be entered at any time providing the central locking system has not been activated. Operating any ajar switch or the hood switch 8 times within 10 seconds will activate the service mode.


Indications During the Service Test ModeUpon entering the Service Test Mode the alarm indicator LED will illuminate continuously and a number of horn beeps indicate the status of the system:1. The first horn beep indicates activation of the service mode.2. The second horn beep indicates that no fault has been recognised during any previous alarm system activations.3. The third horn beep applies to interior scanning only and indicates that no fault has been recognised with the system during any previous interior scanning activations.— Each activation of a set/reset switch (located on the lock barrel of each front door) is indicated by one short horn beep. A correct central locking signal (status of the lock/unlock lines) is also indicated by one short horn beep. The second horn beep must occur within three seconds of the set/reset switch activation.— During the service mode an activation of any alarm sensor/switch will be indicated by a single short horn beep and/or a short flasher signal.— If there is no activation of any alarm sensor/switch for a period of 20 seconds, the system will exit the service mode (indicated by one short horn beep) and the alarm indicator LED will extinguish.


Service Test Mode SequencesNote:
Make sure the central locking is working correctly and note that the test steps must be carried out within 20 seconds of each other to prevent the system automatically leaving the Service Test Mode. Should this occur, start the procedure again as described in Test 1 and continue with the diagnosis.If a vehicle is not fitted with an anti-theft alarm system, start the Service Test Mode at step two.


Test 1 Make sure the ignition is switched off, the windows open and the vehicle is unlocked.Open the hood and operate the hood switch 8 times within 10 seconds.Does the alarm horn beep twice (vehicles fitted with perimeter alarm only) or three times (vehicles fitted with perimeter alarm and interior scanning)?

YES:Close all the doors, the hood and the liftgate.GO to Test 3.

NO:GO to Test 2.


Test 2 Open and close a door 8 times within 10 seconds (make sure that no other ajar switch has been operated within 10 seconds).Does the alarm horn beep twice (vehicles fitted with perimeter alarm only) or three times (vehicles fitted with perimeter alarm and interior scanning). Do all of the hazard flashers flash?

YES:Close all the doors, the hood and the liftgate.GO to Test 3.

NO:No first horn beep:Check for:— Inoperative horn.— Inoperative hood switch.— Damaged hood switch circuit.— Damaged horn circuit.— Blown fuse(s).— Damaged ground circuit to the control module.— Damaged postive circuit to the control module.
No second horn beep:A failure is stored within the control module memory. Close all doors, the hood and the liftgate.GO to Test 3.


Perimeter alarm with interior scanning only:No third horn beep:An interior scanning failure is stored within the control module memory. Close all doors, the hood and the liftgate.GO to Test 3.


No flasher signals:Check for:— Inoperative flasher relays.— Damaged flasher circuits.— Inoperative flasher.— Inoperative control module.


Test 3 Is the indicator LED illuminated constantly?

YESGO to Test 4 (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm).GO to Test 5 (vehicles not fitted with anti-theft alarm).

NO:Check for:— Inoperative indicator LED.— Damaged indicator LED circuit.— Inoperative control module.


Test 4 Switch the ignition on' and off'.Does the alarm horn beep once?

YES:GO to Test 5.

NO:Check for:— Inoperative ignition switch.— Damaged ignition switch circuit.— Inoperative control module.


Test 5 Open all the doors and the liftgate and the hood (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm system only), one at a time.Does the alarm horn beep once for each door and hood?

YES:GO to Test 6 (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm).GO to Test 7 (vehicles not fitted with anti-theft alarm).

NO:Check for:— Inoperative switch(es).— Damaged switch circuit(s).— Inoperative control module.


Test 6 Insert the key into the liftgate lock barrel and activate the anti-theft alarm inhibit switch (hold the liftgate door down momentarily before allowing it to open).Does the alarm horn beep once for the inhibit switch activation and once for the ajar switch activation?

YES:GO to Test 7.

NOCheck for:— Inoperative switch(es).— Damaged switch circuit(s).— Inoperative control module.


Test 7 Insert the key into the driver door and lock the vehicleDoes the horn beep twice and are all the doors and liftgate locked?

YES:GO to Test 8.

NO:No first horn beep:Check for:— Inoperative set/reset switch.— Inoperative set/reset switch circuit.
No second horn beep:Check for:— Inoperative central locking.— Inoperative central locking signal.— Central locking actautor operation too slow (must lock within three seconds of set switch activation).— Inoperative control module.


Test 8 Insert the key into the driver door and unlock the vehicle.Does the alarm horn beep twice?

YESGO to Test 9.

NO:No first horn beep:Check for:— Inoperative set/reset switch.— Damaged set/reset switch circuit.— Inoperative control module.No second horn beep:Check for:— Inoperative central locking.— Inoperative central locking signal.— Central locking actuator operation too slow (must lock within three seconds of set switch activation).— Inoperative control module.


Test 9 REPEAT Test 7 and Test 8 for the passenger door.GO to Test 10 (vehicle fitted with anti-theft alarm).GO to Test 12 (vehicles not fitted with anti-theft alarm).


Test 10 Disconnect the audio control unit.Does the alarm horn beep once?

YES:GO to Test 11.

NO:Check for:— Inoperative audio control unit.— Damaged audio control circuit.— Inoperative control module.


Test 11 Press one of the buttons on the remote control transmitter whilst aiming firstly at the driver door and then the passenger door remote control receiver.Does the alarm horn beep for every transmitter activation?

YES:GO to Test 12.

NO:Check for:— Inoperative transmitter(s)/low transmitter battery level.— Inoperative receiver(s).— Damaged receiver circuit(s).— Stray light disturbing the infrared signal (e.g. other infrared light emitting devices).— Inoperative control module.


Test 12 Activate the double locking by inserting the key into either front door and turning the key firstly to the unlock position and then to the lock position within three seconds.Does the alarm horn beep to indicate the double locking set command?

YES:GO to Test 13.

NO:GO to Test 1 (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm).GO to Test 2 (vehicles not fitted with anti-theft alarm).


Test 13 Attempt to open the doors using the interior door handles.Does either door open?

YES:Check for:— Mechanical failure on the double locking in the affected door.— Damaged double locking circuit.Rectify the concern.GO to Test 1 (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm)GO to Test 2 (vehicles not fitted with anti-theft alarm).

NO:GO to Test 14 (vehicles fitted with anti-theft alarm and interior scanning).GO to Test 15 (all other vehicles).


Test 14 Attempt to trigger an ultrasonic alarm by waving in the front and the rear of the vehicle interior, through the open windows.Does the alarm horn beep once when waving in the front area and once when waving in the rear area?

YES:GO to Test 15.

NO:Check for:— Inoperative interior scanner sensor(s).— Damaged interior scanner circuit(s).— Inoperative control module.


Test 15 Allow approximately 20 seconds to elapse.Does the alarm horn beep once?

YES:End of the Service Test Mode.

NO:Check for damaged control module.

tvradict

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It Worked! It Bloody Worked!

I have a headache, cos I didn't get my bonnet shut in time, and the alarm went off, the sound being directed at my head by the bonnet
But other than that, IT WORKED!

Have some Respect (if I haven't already done it )

I owe you all a pint or two!

Cheers!

DennisTheMenace

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Excellent news what was it in the end ?????

tvradict

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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Thanks Dennis!! I'll save that in case it all goes shape-de-pear again!

Thats another Pint I owe you

tvradict

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Sunday 19th January 2003
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It just needed Reset! A few taps on the pin switch, a couple of beeps! And bobs your uncle. I forgot that I had Armed The Alarm and so it went off! But Hey! IT WORKS!