Cerb to Sagaris
Discussion
andysgriff said:
Anyone done this?? What's the verdict? Other option is to buy a good Griff and keep the Cerb..oh dear what shall I do??
Hmmm... Sag, slower and you still cant take the roof off! Oh and its missing a couple of cylinders too! Get a Griff, keep the Cerb, best of both worlds and the combined lower/zero depreciation will wipe out the additional servicing costs
Plus constantly listening out for tapping from the engine gets tiresome, trust me on that.
Maybe not slower round a track but on every day roads, both the Sags I drove wernt in the same ball park as the Cerb, the more recent of the two, considerabley so. My previous car was Mk1 Tuscan S (facory claimed 405bhp) and that felt very much the same as the first Sag I test drove and again a good deal quicker that the one I drove the other day, I suspect the first car were in a higher state of tune and have been reduced to aid reliability, in line with the new factory BHP figures.
>> Edited by nsparey on Thursday 11th May 09:03
I really like the Sag but I also really like my Cerb. The more money I spend on the Cerb the more I know it will be harder to justify selling it. What about Sag running costs? same, more or lower than Cerb??
The Cerb can be the best looking TVR ever when fully sorted and in terms of pace I have never driven a Sag but the Tamora that I drove a few years ago didn't do much for me as it felt like it was lacking a little in torque...in terms of handling I would expect a Sag to run rings around the comparatively lardy Cerb (with a longer wheelbase)..
In terms of Sag modifications surely there must be less room for improvement on this car then there was on the Cerb. i.e if you bought one you would have to spend a fortune on it to make it the car it should have been (if you get my drift)..
Oh well day dream mode off - back to work...
The Cerb can be the best looking TVR ever when fully sorted and in terms of pace I have never driven a Sag but the Tamora that I drove a few years ago didn't do much for me as it felt like it was lacking a little in torque...in terms of handling I would expect a Sag to run rings around the comparatively lardy Cerb (with a longer wheelbase)..
In terms of Sag modifications surely there must be less room for improvement on this car then there was on the Cerb. i.e if you bought one you would have to spend a fortune on it to make it the car it should have been (if you get my drift)..
Oh well day dream mode off - back to work...
I know I'll get slated for this, but hey ho.
The Sagaris is in a completely different league to the Cerbera IMHO.
- Will it be cheaper to run?
It depends on whether you count depreciation. It'll use less fuel and have a 3 yr warranty, so should just be the cost of servicing.
- Torque/Power
I'd guess the Cerb would be quicker and more torquey. However, I enjoyed the Speed6 more than the AJP because it felt a lot more polished - a much more linear power delivery, smoother, easier to use in traffic etc.
- Handling
Go and drive one, seriously. It's one of the easiest cars I've ever driven to go quickly in. No roll, very nimble and so precise. It's 10 years newer than a Cerb and feels it.
If I could afford one, I'd buy a Sagaris. However, I couldn't go back to a Cerbera. My t350c felt so much more modern than the Cerb and Griff before it and the Sagaris is better again.
D
The Sagaris is in a completely different league to the Cerbera IMHO.
- Will it be cheaper to run?
It depends on whether you count depreciation. It'll use less fuel and have a 3 yr warranty, so should just be the cost of servicing.
- Torque/Power
I'd guess the Cerb would be quicker and more torquey. However, I enjoyed the Speed6 more than the AJP because it felt a lot more polished - a much more linear power delivery, smoother, easier to use in traffic etc.
- Handling
Go and drive one, seriously. It's one of the easiest cars I've ever driven to go quickly in. No roll, very nimble and so precise. It's 10 years newer than a Cerb and feels it.
If I could afford one, I'd buy a Sagaris. However, I couldn't go back to a Cerbera. My t350c felt so much more modern than the Cerb and Griff before it and the Sagaris is better again.
D
_deejay_ said:
It's 10 years newer than a Cerb and feels it.
To be fair, my Cerb has just turned 3 years old and is on Nitrons, its the only Cerb I have driven so maybe the later cars were better, I guess you can say 10 years old or 10 years of development. Changing from an 04 Tuscan S to a 03 Cerbera certainly didnt feel like moving to an older design, quite the oposite in fact, the first thing my good lady said was "chist, feels like a proper car"
>> Edited by nsparey on Thursday 11th May 09:59
I meant years of development, particularly the chassis which was tuned by an external company IIRC. I know Clarkson talks rubbish, but his comments about the Saggy being the first TVR which actually handles out of the box does hold some merit.
My Cerb had Nitrons and was properly sorted, but I feel far more comfortable driving a Sagaris quickly (even when it's someone elses).
Someone had 10 years experience of building the last Cerberas (and only 5 years on the T platform) so I suppose you could argue Cerberas are going to be more consistently built.
As I said, the best way is to go and drive one. I know which I prefer, but others would think differently I'm sure.
Oh, and nice collection of cars you've had there. Even the neon Griff looks superb.
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Thursday 11th May 10:18
My Cerb had Nitrons and was properly sorted, but I feel far more comfortable driving a Sagaris quickly (even when it's someone elses).
Someone had 10 years experience of building the last Cerberas (and only 5 years on the T platform) so I suppose you could argue Cerberas are going to be more consistently built.
As I said, the best way is to go and drive one. I know which I prefer, but others would think differently I'm sure.
Oh, and nice collection of cars you've had there. Even the neon Griff looks superb.
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Thursday 11th May 10:18
_deejay_ said:
I'd guess the Cerb would be quicker . . .
Standard I guess not. Red Rosed Cerbies will be quicker. Comparo's anyone? Sag at TG.
_deejay_ said:
I meant years of development, particularly the chassis which was tuned by an external company IIRC. I know Clarkson talks rubbish, but his comments about the Saggy being the first TVR which actually handles out of the box does hold some merit.
Trouble is, that Saggy was running on Ohlins, not the standard TVR factory fit....
(Still want one though!)
I think santa pod settled the who's quickest question 
. Well I guess not as if I remember rightly despite all the sag owners saying how fast their car was compared to a Cerb, none of them decided that their car was run in fully enough to try on the pod.
So it must be a bloody fast car when they're taking it easy but still convinced its faster.
. Well I guess not as if I remember rightly despite all the sag owners saying how fast their car was compared to a Cerb, none of them decided that their car was run in fully enough to try on the pod. So it must be a bloody fast car when they're taking it easy but still convinced its faster.
Julian64 said:
I think santa pod settled the who's quickest question
So it must be a bloody fast car when they're taking it easy but still convinced its faster.
Maybe some of them thought there were more satisfying pursuits to be had than race rice burners up a 1/4 mile straight....
Maybe see you at Cadwell??
If I had to put the cars in order of preference….. No 1 is easy, 23 debateable & 4 easy.
1. Sagaris
Faster point to point (with me driving, and I’m pretty average) than my old Cerb (probably not since Craig owns it though) In a straight line I would probably give it to the Cerb. Doesn’t bump steer or tramline, and I tend to drive it faster that any of the others. It feels safer and more “planted” and getting the back end out is fun as opposed to Oh Sh1t. Handling inspires more confidence in me and the build quality is in a different league.Grounds much too easily, even on motorways. I need a new front splitter already and the underside of the car has quite a few scrapes, exhaust is too quiet (soon to be remedied)
Most cars get out of the way when they see it in their rear view mirror.
2. Cerb 4.5
Fantastic road presence, tricky to pull away cleanly due to the torque (stall or wheel spin) Handling was poor (standard shocks) to my mind, accelerated like a rocket ship and sounded like a machine gun on the overrun (decat and sports exhaust). No real problems apart from a replacement clutch at 20K (usual finger problem) Great car and I still miss it.
3. Tuscan RR
NO ENGINE PROBLEMS.
Miss the targa roof and the sports exhaust, fitted nitrons and handling was less “interesting” than it was as standard, but still not comparable (in my opinion) to the Saggy “straight out of the box”. Good car, but don’t miss it (shows how good the Saggy is to my mind)
4. Griff LE
Sounded gorgeous.
Leaked like a sieve, passenger door and central locking had a mind of it’s own. Far too much torque at much too low revs from the RV8. This car tried to kill me every time I drove it for various reasons. Couldn’t wait to get shot of it.
My opinion of it was probably tainted by owning the Cerb first,
So there you go, only my humble opinion of course. I have a couple of friends who think their Griff’s are the best.
Alan
(Dons flameproof overalls)
1. Sagaris
Faster point to point (with me driving, and I’m pretty average) than my old Cerb (probably not since Craig owns it though) In a straight line I would probably give it to the Cerb. Doesn’t bump steer or tramline, and I tend to drive it faster that any of the others. It feels safer and more “planted” and getting the back end out is fun as opposed to Oh Sh1t. Handling inspires more confidence in me and the build quality is in a different league.Grounds much too easily, even on motorways. I need a new front splitter already and the underside of the car has quite a few scrapes, exhaust is too quiet (soon to be remedied)
Most cars get out of the way when they see it in their rear view mirror.
2. Cerb 4.5
Fantastic road presence, tricky to pull away cleanly due to the torque (stall or wheel spin) Handling was poor (standard shocks) to my mind, accelerated like a rocket ship and sounded like a machine gun on the overrun (decat and sports exhaust). No real problems apart from a replacement clutch at 20K (usual finger problem) Great car and I still miss it.
3. Tuscan RR
NO ENGINE PROBLEMS.
Miss the targa roof and the sports exhaust, fitted nitrons and handling was less “interesting” than it was as standard, but still not comparable (in my opinion) to the Saggy “straight out of the box”. Good car, but don’t miss it (shows how good the Saggy is to my mind)
4. Griff LE
Sounded gorgeous.
Leaked like a sieve, passenger door and central locking had a mind of it’s own. Far too much torque at much too low revs from the RV8. This car tried to kill me every time I drove it for various reasons. Couldn’t wait to get shot of it.
My opinion of it was probably tainted by owning the Cerb first,
So there you go, only my humble opinion of course. I have a couple of friends who think their Griff’s are the best.
Alan
(Dons flameproof overalls)
L1OFF said:
4. Griff LE
Sounded gorgeous.
Leaked like a sieve, passenger door and central locking had a mind of it’s own. Far too much torque at much too low revs from the RV8. This car tried to kill me every time I drove it for various reasons. Couldn’t wait to get shot of it.
Im with you on the LE, mine was a bag of nails! Had to go after jus six months, most of which it was at the dealers. Interestingly, I have herd from a dealer that a few of the LEs have given serious trouble, including the engines, often not as well built as the "standard" cars, mine came with a free ball point pen, left behind the dash board lol
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