Speed limiter - is it the end as we know it?

Speed limiter - is it the end as we know it?

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doz

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72 posts

259 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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Will it soon be an arrestable offence to scratch our balls in public, or even, dare I say it on an open forum, to consider picking one's nose - to pass wind will now incur an on-the-spot pollution fine. The Matrix may still have some truth as i see the Government is to begin trials on a speed limiting device! Andy, you won't need anything other than 1st.

What is the world coming to.

ultimaandy

1,225 posts

265 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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My company (Marconi at the time) developed a tag technology a few years ago.

The government have looked into this technology to replace the tax disc and allow them to monitor speed at all times by having stations at every corner. They would then know how fast you are going almost all the time

The technology is their already, all they have to do is get past our human rights

GTRCLIVE

4,186 posts

284 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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Just have to wait for STEALTH technology, and sod the lot of them....

joust

14,622 posts

260 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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Hmm - don't believe all the hype...

www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmtlgr/557/557ap65.htm

It's old news (that one is from June 2002) and only relates to a trial that is now coming to and end. I expect to be notified soon of the results via my notification alert that my company pays for as soon as it's published (assuming I've set it correct!)

There are serious issues though to make this a reality even if the trial is "successful". Government is currently fixated about "Total Value for Money" (TVM) - and unfortunatly this sort of device totally falls outside the current TVM metrics being used in procurement. The "simple" version of this is that a human life is worth ~£1m and therefore the expected savings have to show a "gross margin" of return on capital deployed of 25% or greater. That is the principle of current PFI/PPP contracts, and actually one of the main reasons why the tube PPP is actually pants (it's ROCD is ~55% and hence is bad value for the tax payer - but I digress).

The only way to make this work is therefor to put the intelligence in the car, not on the street. To that end, GPS is the only solution available, and (sorry _ I can't find it on the staionary office at the moment - it's somewhere there) and GPS can be circumvented easily due to the failsafe nature that would have to be deployed.

Also - note that the trial is proposing that "kickdown" would override the system - so eventually what would be the point?

Finally (and this is the ultimate killer) given we are part of the EU, and places such as Germany have different speeds, you cannot enforce legislation that would not be appropiate in another country (for that reason type approval is EU wide - and all the testing is done in Holland for most manufacturers). It's the same as porn and booze really - if something is legal in one EU country - no matter what the UK govenment thinks - it can't do diddly squat about making an EU good illegal in one EU country if it is legal in another.

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JCof T.O.

98 posts

258 months

Monday 20th January 2003
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I agree that is bad. Over here they are trying to pass a law banning modifications to cars. They want to ban modifications because they feel it contributes to deaths on our road ways. However smoking is acceptable, go figure. The scary thing about any of these laws is if they manage to get a foothold anywhere they can quickly spread from one region of the world to another.

www.petitiononline.com/sect1722/petition.html

ULTIMALOVER

96 posts

261 months

Tuesday 21st January 2003
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JCof T.O. said: I agree that is bad. Over here they are trying to pass a law banning modifications to cars. They want to ban modifications because they feel it contributes to deaths on our road ways. However smoking is acceptable, go figure. The scary thing about any of these laws is if they manage to get a foothold anywhere they can quickly spread from one region of the world to another.

www.petitiononline.com/sect1722/petition.html



Really? Go figure, most accidents are from people not paying attention then crashing, or talking on the cell phone and cutting somebody off. Around here, the accidents happen in cars like Camrys, Corollas and SUVs. BOOORING VEHICLES to say the least. Modified vehicles rarely get into accidents around here!