RE: Caterham reveals new engine

RE: Caterham reveals new engine

Tuesday 16th May 2006

Caterham reveals new engine

Demise of Rover brings Ford to the fore


Caterham Seven: now Ford-powered
Caterham Seven: now Ford-powered
Caterham has revealed the engine it will be using to replace the Rover K-series: it's the Ford Sigma -- aka the Zetec-SE, also known as the Duratec in the Mk II Ford Focus. The new powerplants will be propelling Caterhams from the end of 2006, Dartford-based Caterham Cars has announced. The decision to move to the Sigma unit follows Rover's demise.

In the UK, you'll be able to buy a Caterham with one of three power outputs: 160bhp, 140bhp and a new entry-level unit whose output will be confirmed later. Caterham has also invested in the development of an 115bhp EU IV compliant unit for the expanding overseas markets. The three power choices complement the existing Cosworth tuned 2.3-litre unit (260bhp and a bespoke EU IV 200bhp) in the CSR, and the 2.0-litre 210bhp plant that will power the new Superlight R400 this summer.

The 1.6-litre British-built Sigma unit will be tuned for Caterham by established powertrain supplier, Power Torque Engineering, and ends a 15-year relationship with the the K-series. Production of the entry-level Ford unit will start in the last quarter of 2006, with deliveries of the EU IV 115bhp powered unit expected at the end of January 2007. 

Replacing the K-Series engine with something equally light and compact was not an easy task. "The Ford Sigma was selected on technical merit after an exhaustive study of over 80 engines from 19 different manufacturers. It was far and away the most suitable and worthy choice," said Caterham technical director Jez Coates.

"The infrastructure and support afforded to a globally recognised engine like the Ford Sigma allows us to plan for the future and maintain our proud tradition of protecting and developing the Seven for years to come," said Caterham boss Ansar Ali. "The engine itself has already proved to be a huge success by reinvigorating the single-seater feeder race series, Formula Ford."

The arrival of a new EU IV compliant entry level unit will underpin sales in overseas markets which, in over forty countries worldwide, now account for over 50 per cent of all production. The 1.6-litre EU IV Ford Sigma, assembled at Ford's Bridgend engine plant in South Wales, will join the similarly compliant 200bhp 2.3-litre Cosworth that powers the CSR model.

Colin Chapman's very first Seven back in 1957 drew its power from a Ford side-valve engine -- the adoption of a new engine from a global manufacturer coincides with the model's 50th anniversary next year.

Prices will be confirmed in the autumn.

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dino ferrana

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791 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Not a surprising choice and amazing it remained secret!

jeremyc

23,540 posts

285 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Caterham are based in Dartford, not Sevenoaks....

Mind you, it used to be "Caterham based Caterham Cars ...."

jambon T

11 posts

223 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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"and the 2.0-litre 210bhp plant that will power the new Superlight R400 this summer."

I thought I had read some where that the r400 engine would be a mazda ? can anyone confirm that ?

bootleboy

2 posts

216 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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The 2.0l Duratec (sigma)engine used in the R400 (and fords) is based on the recent ally mazda MZR engine.

nightdriver

1,080 posts

227 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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bootleboy said:
The 2.0l Duratec (sigma)engine used in the R400 (and fords) is based on the recent ally mazda MZR engine.


The 2.0l duratec is not the Sigma. The sigma has been/is only available in 1.25l - 1.7l. The duratec 1.8 and 2.0 are completely different engines, the exhaust and inlet are on opposite sides for a start. Mazda produiced the MZR (or duratec) in 1.4 and 1.6 but ford haven't used this engine.

As for the mazda engine, it was a joint development between ford and mazda. Mazda sell the engine as the MZR and ford as the duratec. But as mazda are now ford it's not really a joint development.

It's great that the sigma is now getting used, its a cracking little engine but lacks any real development in terms of aftermarket tuning.

>> Edited by nightdriver on Tuesday 16th May 12:27

lukeb

89 posts

279 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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A bit about the Sigma on Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sig

Doesn't say whether it's all ally or not, which would be the burning question for me. One thing in the K's favour is that it's not a heavy car engine. Might have made more sense for them to use the 1.8 Duratec <http://home.att.net/~biker16/mazda_du from a commonality of parts issue, but what do I know.

jackal

11,248 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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why not just use the duratec for the whole range ?

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

228 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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jeremyc said:
Caterham are based in Dartford, not Sevenoaks....

Mind you, it used to be "Caterham based Caterham Cars ...."


More like Slade Green...

nightdriver

1,080 posts

227 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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lukeb said:
A bit about the Sigma on Wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sig

Doesn't say whether it's all ally or not, which would be the burning question for me. One thing in the K's favour is that it's not a heavy car engine. Might have made more sense for them to use the 1.8 Duratec <http://home.att.net/~biker16/mazda_du from a commonality of parts issue, but what do I know.


The sigma is an all alloy engine. Much lighter than the Duratec and capable of similar power to the 1.8's. The sigma engine has loads of parts available and they are cheaper than the Duratecs.

jackal

11,248 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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must be lighter than the K then ?
and mega cheap because duratec parts are not exactly expensive !

dino ferrana

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791 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Jackal I am sure Caterham need a smaller engine option than just a 2.0 litre or 1.8 litre engine. Not everyone can afford a 2.0 litre engine and you can bet your bottom dollar Ford charge a substantially different price for a 2.0 litre engine than for a 1.6. I bet the actual cost of manufacturing difference is negligible!

Fords nomenclature is now so complicated that I lose track of what engine is exactly in what car.

I believe that this engine is sometimes referred to as a Duratec IMHO incorrectly by Ford. When we refer to a Duratec as generally fitted to Caterhams previously we are talking about the 2.0 litre or 2.3 litre Duratec HE.

I am sure Caterham gave this a lot of thought before going for this engine over anything else. Most people don't know that Caterham have actually tried engines from all kinds of things that have never ended up as a production item. Some have become more publically known about like Simon Lake's SV with a Toyota VVTLi engine in it, others long since forgotten about.

jackal

11,248 posts

283 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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dino... you work for caterham don't you ?

loach

3,357 posts

217 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Feck. Every time I tell myself that I've had my last Caterham, they go and pull a stunt like this. I may have to look at one of the new R400s next year.

Does anyone know much about the weight of this new engine compared to the unit in a Caterham SLR? Also, anyone know if build quality has improved much under the new management?

dino ferrana

Original Poster:

791 posts

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Tuesday 16th May 2006
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Jackal, nope though I have been accused of such things before! I have a couple of contacts on the other side of the fence, although not all info comes from them. I tend to try and look at things from their point of view rather than rubbishing whatever they do, which seems to be the aim of some.

The differing engine prices comes from a conversation (I can't remember who with) about buying engines for low volume manufacture. I don't think it was for Caterhams if I remember correctly, the person telling the story was relating that it was a somewhat bizarre process.

YarisSi

1,537 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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kevin ritson said:
jeremyc said:
Caterham are based in Dartford, not Sevenoaks....

Mind you, it used to be "Caterham based Caterham Cars ...."


More like Slade Green...


Is just down the road from my primary school (the good one). Wish I had a school trip there. Where does it mention Sevenoaks or am I being dim?

mackie1

8,153 posts

234 months

Tuesday 16th May 2006
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I think saying the K is a pile of crap is a bit strong. Are you saying this because of the head gasket problem?
Fundamentally it's a good engine and was ahead of it's time to some extent.
However the Zetec-SE is a cracking little engine and should do just as good a job and will probably be more reliable. Shame the 1.7 VCT version is no longer made as I'd imagine that would be a cracking engine in a 7.

oppressed mass

217 posts

284 months

Wednesday 17th May 2006
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dino ferrana said:

Fords nomenclature is now so complicated that I lose track of what engine is exactly in what car.



In the world of 4 cylinder petrol engines (European) there are 3 main engine ranges: -

Rocam - 1.3L 8V entry level engine
Sigma - 1.25 - 1.6 16V all alloy DOHC engine (approx 81KG shipped engine weight for a 1.6)
Duratec /I4 - 1.8-2.3 16V all alloy DOHC engine

There are all known as Duratecs - Rocam = Duratec 8v, Sigma = Duratec 16V and I4 = Duratec HE.

For info the V6 2.5 and 3.0 are Duratec VE.

dino ferrana

Original Poster:

791 posts

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Wednesday 17th May 2006
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Have owned a K-Series powered Superlight for a number of years now and it is a great engine. True it has some flaws but a lot of the HG failures are to do with dodgy radiators, thermostats or incorrect coolant rather than engine design. It is a very lightweight engine and was way ahead of its time when it was produced.

That said it is now out of production and the time has come for a new engine. Caterham have broken world records, won races and made a lot of people very happy with this engine, why slate it so much?

ewenm

28,506 posts

246 months

Wednesday 17th May 2006
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Not had any problems with my 1.6 K-Series and have racked up 90,000 miles in the Caterham. Replacing it now for a 1.8VVC as I'm after a bit more power.

scuffham

20,887 posts

275 months

Wednesday 17th May 2006
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dino ferrana said:
Have owned a K-Series powered Superlight for a number of years now and it is a great engine. True it has some flaws but a lot of the HG failures are to do with dodgy radiators, thermostats or incorrect coolant rather than engine design. It is a very lightweight engine and was way ahead of its time when it was produced.

That said it is now out of production and the time has come for a new engine. Caterham have broken world records, won races and made a lot of people very happy with this engine, why slate it so much?


All I can suggest mate is that you take off the glasses and see what they are really like...

K was a great design, cutting edge stuff in it's day, small, light, cheap, etc. but it was never designed to be a 1.8 (or 1.6 for that matter) and once your into 1.8's with real power, then your basically a *bang* waiting to happen. There are zelots that say you can make 240Bhp totally reliable engines, but I have yet to meet one such engine out in the wilds of race tracks.

Duratech is as light, bigger CC, way less problematic, cheaper, more powerfull, etc etc etc.