Griff and a set of 18 inch Spider Alloys

[tarks63]

Sounds stupid to you boffins but does anyone know whether 18inch Spider alloys fit a 1996 Griff stanard suspension.Including does it rub wheel arches on lock to lock.If they are good to go does anyone have a set up for sale
Thanks all
Tarqs

[starmist]

Well obviously you've got to do the spider wheel hub conversion first, but I understand they will fit with a bit of work, however they upset the handling, so I wouldn't bother! Keep the standard hubs and just buy a set of 17" Technomagnesios like Tiny.

[IPAddis]

I spoke direct to Neil Anderson (Griff suspension guru) at the factory and he categorically assured me that 18" spiders WOULD NOT fit without significant work. I was looking at a 16/18 spider upgrade at the time.

Ian A.

[David H]

ZZ Tops Griff

[llanelli-rob]

David.....You had yours back yet?

[virgil]

IPAddis said:

I spoke direct to Neil Anderson (Griff suspension guru) at the factory and he categorically assured me that 18" spiders WOULD NOT fit without significant work. I was looking at a 16/18 spider upgrade at the time. Ian A.

Did he say because of the offset and 4/5 stub hub thing? otherwise I don't see why they would not fit...

[richb]

Can't really see the problem; there are plenty of owners who have done the 5 stud modification and with spacers and lock-stops anything is possible. Rich...

[jellison]

topsparks has a set of std, 16" and 18" Spiders for his!!! Does go through rubber though!

[David H]

llanelli-rob said:

David.....You had yours back yet?

Not yet Rob, the clutch is done but Rob(V8) is going to set the engine up for me and take it to their local wheel alignment centre.

It should be back early next week. I'll be using Richard again to transport the car back to me because I damaged my leg recently and am unable to drive So I'll only be able to look at the thing for about 3 weeks before I can drive it

[richb]

jellison said:

topsparks has a set of std, 16" and 18" Spiders for his!!! Does go through rubber though!

That's his driving not the wheels, I have 18" on mine and it's fine.

[mongoose]

Wasn't there a chap who posted recently(silver griff i think)who had done his own 18" spider conversion?

[richb]

mongoose said:

Wasn't there a chap who posted recently(silver griff i think)who had done his own 18" spider conversion?

Well DavidH did that yes?

[llanelli-rob]

David H said:

llanelli-rob said: David.....You had yours back yet? Not yet Rob, the clutch is done but Rob(V8) is going to set the engine up for me and take it to their local wheel alignment centre. It should be back early next week. I'll be using Richard again to transport the car back to me because I damaged my leg recently and am unable to drive So I'll only be able to look at the thing for about 3 weeks before I can drive it

Only look at it,yeah right in a pervy sort of way I bet

Prefer it not there at all than it being there with those wheels fitted and not being able to drive it,bet you give it a quick rub when its backthe car I mean

[banana man]

Hello I have 18" black spider alloys on my yellow griffith 500 the only problem i have with them was on full lock they were hitting just had to use 5mm spacers on the fronts all now ok but i can not go anywhere near kerbs, pot holes because they are very low profile tyres!!!!!!!!!!

[mongoose]

richb said:

mongoose said: Wasn't there a chap who posted recently(silver griff i think)who had done his own 18" spider conversion? Well DavidH did that yes?

No,that wasn't who i was thinking of Rich,David has the 16's on his.I wish i could remember who it was now,but i'm sure it was 18" spiders.

[antonyj]

banana man said:

Hello I have 18" black spider alloys on my yellow griffith 500 the only problem i have with them was on full lock they were hitting just had to use 5mm spacers on the fronts all now ok but i can not go anywhere near kerbs, pot holes because they are very low profile tyres!!!!!!!!!!

Get some pics up then,!!!!

[mongoose]

If you wanted to fit the spiders,are the 5 stud hubs easy enough to get hold of,off the shelf somewhere,or do you have to get the 4 stud originals re-drilled?

[David H]

llanelli-rob said:

Only look at it,yeah right in a pervy sort of way I bet Prefer it not there at all than it being there with those wheels fitted and not being able to drive it,bet you give it a quick rub when its backthe car I mean

You obviously know more about me than I thought

mongoose said:

If you wanted to fit the spiders,are the 5 stud hubs easy enough to get hold of,off the shelf somewhere,or do you have to get the 4 stud originals re-drilled?

You can use the 5 stud rear hubs off a Granada but I can't remember if the pcd was correct ANTONYJ

But the factory converstion uses the 4 stud hubs drilled out to the 5 stud PCD with rings on the back of the origonal hub (the 114.3mm pcd needed is very close to the edge of the origonal hubs).


antonyj really is the best man to advise though, he passed on all the info to me when I was looking at doing it, but I ended up going the factory route.


>> Edited by David H on Wednesday 17th May 20:52

[tarks63]

Thanks everyone for the input think i will blow out idea of spiders and buy a Tamora with them fitted instead.Saying that the Silverstone performance alloys in 17 inch could work.Would be a little bit cheaper
Cheers everyone

[antonyj]

Ah-hem , the PCD from a Granny is 112mm. The TVR spiders pcd is 114.3mm.
Using the Granny hubs means you can redrill without the PCD's interfering.

With the four stud hubs there is the problem of the PCD's overlapping however you try.

The other (and TVR's,Mels) approach is to have a ring fitted behind the original hub face with the new pcd, and just drill the hub to suit.This means it doesnt matter if the PCD's overlap.

The front hubs are slightly too small on the diameter for the 114.3 pcd, I had mine altered , but the ring seems to over come this too.

I have used the offset calculators around and I "think" that rear "et33" spiders could be ok all round.
I have tried "et42" on the front and they rubbed at full lock, we all know that steering lock blocks have been mentioned.

On ebay at the moment is a kit with the hubs, calipers and discs, for £1195.