Has immigration gone the way of road safety?
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After millions of threads about speeding being the main focus of road safety because it's easy to detect and it's effects - prosecuting largely safe drivers and ignoring the unsafe drivers without MOT, insurance, licenses, etc.. I now hear that the Home Office has stopped trying to track down individual illegal immigrants in favour of going after those places that employ them.
To my mind, those that are working are the most welcome of the illegal immigrants. This policy simply send out the message that if you choose to be in the UK illegally your are better off living off the proceeds of petty crime, begging and mugging as the government will leave you alone. Even the police are hard pushed to make more than a token response to such things as burglary - perhaps it infringes the human rights of illegal immigrants.
Welcome to Britain - just don't try to earn money, be useful or obey the law.
What a bunch of a
eholes we have in government.
Edited for a typo (earn for spend).
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Thursday 18th May 01:53
To my mind, those that are working are the most welcome of the illegal immigrants. This policy simply send out the message that if you choose to be in the UK illegally your are better off living off the proceeds of petty crime, begging and mugging as the government will leave you alone. Even the police are hard pushed to make more than a token response to such things as burglary - perhaps it infringes the human rights of illegal immigrants.
Welcome to Britain - just don't try to earn money, be useful or obey the law.
What a bunch of a
eholes we have in government. Edited for a typo (earn for spend).
>> Edited by V8 Archie on Thursday 18th May 01:53
Funny you should say that...
From here.
bbc said:
Committee chairman John Denham asked what a worried constituent ordered to leave the country should be advised to do.
"I get the impression the correct answer for me to give would be 'not very much, they don't track individuals. I wouldn't worry about it'," said Mr Denham.
Mr Roberts replied that... the IND had carried out more than 3,500 raids on companies last year.
And although this had only resulted in 293 successful prosecutions, it was expelling more than 1,000 illegal immigrants per month - which he said was well in excess of its target [my italics].
From here.
With 400,000 illegals, and expelling over 1,000 a month, (lets call that 1000), so in 33.3 years, (provided no more come in) all will have been expelled, thank god for our government....
If our government can spend so much money on setting up speed cameras to catch motorists who ignore the speed limits, why cant they spend a similar, if not more, amount on setting up systems at ports to catch would be illegal immigrants......
Oh, silly me, I forgot, theres no revenue in that, is there.
I wonder what Mr Roberts gets paid for knowing not a lot, about what he is the Director of?
Have a nice day
>> Edited by vipers on Thursday 18th May 02:19
If our government can spend so much money on setting up speed cameras to catch motorists who ignore the speed limits, why cant they spend a similar, if not more, amount on setting up systems at ports to catch would be illegal immigrants......
Oh, silly me, I forgot, theres no revenue in that, is there.
I wonder what Mr Roberts gets paid for knowing not a lot, about what he is the Director of?
Have a nice day
>> Edited by vipers on Thursday 18th May 02:19
It is simply that they can get the firm who employs the immigrant, and FINE them, thus raising more tax money.. Don't evict the illegal immigrant who will then politely find another job, and hey presto, another fine.......
As above, at least the ones they catch this way are actually trying to work... Though I suppose we would need to cross reference it with are they paying Tax and NI which is unlikely, so perhaps we ought to give them NI numbers so they can pay their way.......
Yep, it is a seriously twisted logic employed by those in power. Hopefully they will be out soon.
As above, at least the ones they catch this way are actually trying to work... Though I suppose we would need to cross reference it with are they paying Tax and NI which is unlikely, so perhaps we ought to give them NI numbers so they can pay their way.......
Yep, it is a seriously twisted logic employed by those in power. Hopefully they will be out soon.
vipers said:
With 400,000 illegals, and expelling over 1,000 a month, (lets call that 1000), so in 33.3 years, (provided no more come in) all will have been expelled, thank god for our government....
You forgot to take into account the 2000 illegals that'll be getting in here every month.
blueyes said:Spot on blueyes, but does the government know that? do they even know what bloody day it is?
With 400,000 illegals, and expelling over 1,000 a month, (lets call that 1000), so in 33.3 years, (provided no more come in) all will have been expelled, thank god for our government....
You forgot to take into account the 2000 illegals that'll be getting in here every month.
Have a nice day
>> Edited by vipers on Friday 19th May 02:50
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politic
How clever of Tony Blair to re-shuffle the cabinet so that Liam Byrne(former Police Minister)swaps with Tony Mcnulty to have a go at being Immigration Minister....and Tony Mcnulty now has a chance to cock things up with the Police forces -Bravo Tony!!
How clever of Tony Blair to re-shuffle the cabinet so that Liam Byrne(former Police Minister)swaps with Tony Mcnulty to have a go at being Immigration Minister....and Tony Mcnulty now has a chance to cock things up with the Police forces -Bravo Tony!!
With respect, this is not Mr Blair's doing it's Mr Reid who's previous track record includes cocking up Defence (1997-98), Transport (98-99), "Oh fk! Not Health" (2003-05) and Defence again until a few weeks ago. Between 99 and 03 he was Secretary of State for Scotland, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Minister Without Portfolio (Labour Party Chairman), Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council.
He's clearly so crap that he can't be kept in one place for too long but he has avoided appearing in the tabloids too much so he stays on the gravy train.
Obviously Blair appointed him to all of these positions.
He's clearly learned from the boss.
So now Liam Byrne who is described as "an expert at management reform" has lasted two weeks as police minister where Tony McNulty is now considered to be "the best person to push through police reforms".
You really couldn't make it up could you? This government has more in common with a Tom Sharpe novel or a "Carry On" film than a team capable of running "UK plc".
k! Not Health" (2003-05) and Defence again until a few weeks ago. Between 99 and 03 he was Secretary of State for Scotland, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Minister Without Portfolio (Labour Party Chairman), Leader of the House of Commons and Lord President of the Council. He's clearly so crap that he can't be kept in one place for too long but he has avoided appearing in the tabloids too much so he stays on the gravy train.
Obviously Blair appointed him to all of these positions.
He's clearly learned from the boss.
So now Liam Byrne who is described as "an expert at management reform" has lasted two weeks as police minister where Tony McNulty is now considered to be "the best person to push through police reforms".
You really couldn't make it up could you? This government has more in common with a Tom Sharpe novel or a "Carry On" film than a team capable of running "UK plc".
V8 Archie said:
You really couldn't make it up could you?
Is John Reid Mr odd job man ?
V8 Archie said:
This government has more in common with a Tom Sharpe novel or a
"Carry On" film than a team capable of running "UK plc".
As my mate says, if you want something messed up good and
proper, give it to a government to look after.
Hence, the only good government is small government i.e.
the fewer jobs they have to do the better.
Err, yes, well actually virtually everything in the Public Sector is like that these days, it's just Scameras are more obvious and more blatantly dishonest but actually they all behave like that.
It's always been slightly like this, but if you look at any Public Service there's a top layer which runs on spin and PR, spending large chunks of the money on rubbish, and giving impossible ever changing diktats to the poor s*ds that do the actual work.
Talk to those at the sharp end and you see the whole thing is a farce ; one of the top layers main jobs is to stop reality getting out.
Hence, for example, bullying and threatening coppers who write Blogs for being "off message" (e.g. not repeating the latest spin verbatim). It is by no means limited to the Police.
It's always been slightly like this, but if you look at any Public Service there's a top layer which runs on spin and PR, spending large chunks of the money on rubbish, and giving impossible ever changing diktats to the poor s*ds that do the actual work.
Talk to those at the sharp end and you see the whole thing is a farce ; one of the top layers main jobs is to stop reality getting out.
Hence, for example, bullying and threatening coppers who write Blogs for being "off message" (e.g. not repeating the latest spin verbatim). It is by no means limited to the Police.
autismuk said:That's absolute c
...if you look at any Public Service there's a top layer which runs on spin and PR, spending large chunks of the money on rubbish, and giving impossible ever changing diktats to the poor s*ds that do the actual work.
p! There's at least half-a-dozen layers like that.Be careful what you wish for when asking the Government to sort out the Home Office's failings.
In his replies in front of a Select Committee yesterday (or maybe the day before), Reid was quoted as seeking to assign a unique number to each immigrant to help in their tracking (which of course assume they enter through formal channels and ignores the issue of those we don't know are already present). In his response, he advocted this as a necessary update of a paper-based immigration system dating from the cold war era to something more suited for the numbers of people now involved.
Now, if the scope of that system were expand to everyone (which the Home Office could at the moment justify to prevent them issuing false criminal records again and could easily also use to track escaped/missing prisoners) and we're right back at ID cards. Has anyone noticed how that debate's gone so very quiet recently? I'm sure it's not been forgotten about.
In his replies in front of a Select Committee yesterday (or maybe the day before), Reid was quoted as seeking to assign a unique number to each immigrant to help in their tracking (which of course assume they enter through formal channels and ignores the issue of those we don't know are already present). In his response, he advocted this as a necessary update of a paper-based immigration system dating from the cold war era to something more suited for the numbers of people now involved.
Now, if the scope of that system were expand to everyone (which the Home Office could at the moment justify to prevent them issuing false criminal records again and could easily also use to track escaped/missing prisoners) and we're right back at ID cards. Has anyone noticed how that debate's gone so very quiet recently? I'm sure it's not been forgotten about.
dxg999 said:Except that the proposed national Identity Register does not extend to "visitors" for the first three months of their stay! - Streaky
Be careful what you wish for when asking the Government to sort out the Home Office's failings.
In his replies in front of a Select Committee yesterday (or maybe the day before), Reid was quoted as seeking to assign a unique number to each immigrant to help in their tracking (which of course assume they enter through formal channels and ignores the issue of those we don't know are already present). In his response, he advocted this as a necessary update of a paper-based immigration system dating from the cold war era to something more suited for the numbers of people now involved.
Now, if the scope of that system were expand to everyone (which the Home Office could at the moment justify to prevent them issuing false criminal records again and could easily also use to track escaped/missing prisoners) and we're right back at ID cards. Has anyone noticed how that debate's gone so very quiet recently? I'm sure it's not been forgotten about.
I didn't vote for Tony Bliar.
I voted against joining the EU.
I would have voted for Enoch Powell, given the chance.
I have a mixed race family, all here legally, and fully integrated into British traditional culture. None with any criminal activity whatsoever.
The sooner those in our government (who naturally are totally insulated from the effects) refuse to permit our beautiful country to be nothing more than a honeypot for illegal scumbag criminals and parasites, the better.
Those employing illegals should be jailed along with their slave labourers, prior to the latter being deported.
Locals should ALWAYS be offered employment over EU nationals first, and offered similar re-training opportunities, subsidised housing, etc.
There are more than a million unemployed Brits in this country, and a lot are rejected through ageism or other 'isms', nothing more.
Our participation in the current 'Human Rights' legislation should be shelved, as it is against OUR national interests. I know THAT will be a great novelty.
For those of us who have nothing to hide, DNA testing and ID cards should be introduced at sensible cost ASAP.
Perhaps this could be paid for by eliminating Foreign Aid and subsidies to countries who refuse to accept their wandering citizens back.
Whether they torture them or not, well let the UN or whoever sort that one out. Personally I couldn't care less, as it's such an obvious ruse by the so-called 'asylum seekers'.
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