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billb

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295 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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Have a friend who wants a mac mainly for looks but wants pc functiality and wants the normal versions of excel etc. Has anyone used the mac bootcamp that lets u install xp onto a mac? If so would u recommend this as ok for a non techhy to have? any issues?


thanks

__LEE__

7,520 posts

273 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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If thats the case why not go for one of the PC units that looks like a MAC? Your friend will save himself a lot of cash and pain doing it this way.

Why not something like the below?

www.ambros.co.uk/shuttlelist.php

You can now get many PC's that look like MAC's

billb

Original Poster:

3,198 posts

295 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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__LEE__ said:
If thats the case why not go for one of the PC units that looks like a MAC? Your friend will save himself a lot of cash and pain doing it this way.

Why not something like the below?

www.ambros.co.uk/shuttlelist.php

You can now get many PC's that look like MAC's


I can see her point theyre still just not as sexy as a new mac - we have some at work and they just look sooooo much better than normal pc's.

__LEE__

7,520 posts

273 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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Thats probably because the company PC's are just workhorses rather than something like this



OR...

polus

4,343 posts

255 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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Theres loads of really nice looking cases...

have a look through this site: www.xcase.co.uk/acatalog/Silverstone_Sugo_Series.html

billb

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3,198 posts

295 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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cases yes but we're talking about someone who has no interest in computers just wants to buy a dell or mac etc and be done with it

Mr Beckerman

5,346 posts

257 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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To answer the original question, I used Bootcamp this week to set up a friends new iMac.

Easy peasy.

You set the size of the Windows partition (nice little slider with piccies), it asks you to burn a mac drivers disc 9you'll need this to load the graphics/wireless/sound etc drivers later) and then you pop in the XP disc and away you go.

Once XP is up and running, you pop in the mac drivers disc and it loads them up, re-boots and you're away.

It does exactly what it says on the tin.

spitfire-ian

4,242 posts

258 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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A friend of mine uses it and he says it's fantastic

magic torch

5,781 posts

252 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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Bootcamp is easy, and Macs aren't that much more than PCs

www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1747

jimothy

5,151 posts

267 months

Friday 19th May 2006
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What PC functionality does he want? Mac's offer it all, apart from running PC only apps.

As for Excel, OfficeX is better than Office for windows and is the normal Excel.

Buffalo

5,486 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Does bootcamp allow ALL programmes that run on a PC to run on a mac..? Thinking stuff like CAD based programmes that AFAIK only have a windows code written for them at the moment.



>> Edited by Buffalo on Tuesday 30th May 09:20

Mr Beckerman

5,346 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Buffalo said:
Does bootcamp allow ALL programmes that run on a PC to run on a mac..? Thinking stuff like CAD based programmes that AFAIK only have a windows code written for them at the moment.



>> Edited by Buffalo on Tuesday 30th May 09:20


AFAIK yes, as it is a complete windows box/installation, just using the Mac hardware. it's not Windows running emulated within Mac OS, it's a completely seperate boot partition.

Buffalo

5,486 posts

284 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Cool!! I had been reading this and it was the final clincher in my back and forth decision to buy an apple or not (regular viewers on this forum may recall my many daft questions about changing from MS systems to apple ).

I figure i'll be fine for 90% of the time on the apple stuff, but there are occasions i need to use MS only progs, so if i can do dual-boot then i'm away i reckon!

Mr Beckerman

5,346 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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yep, you just hold down the option key (alt for you wondows users) during boot and it gives you the choice.

Bodo

12,608 posts

296 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Buffalo said:
Does bootcamp allow ALL programmes that run on a PC to run on a mac..? Thinking stuff like CAD based programmes that AFAIK only have a windows code written for them at the moment.
That depends on the graphics hardware requirements of the CAD software!!! Macintoshs, both Intel and PPC, don't come with hardware accelerated OpenGL graphics adapters like Nvidia's Quatro range and ATI's FireGL, because there are no drivers available for Macintosh.
Software like Unigraphics, Pro/Engineer and Catia are only guranteed to work with this hardware or on dedicated UNIX workstations, and Solidworks iirc too.
If your buying decision depends on having hardware accelerated OpenGL, don't buy a Mac yet. If you need a UNIX-esque environment for dual boot, install Linux beside Windows. Drivers for both graphics-chipsets are provided for Linux by its manufacturers, and at least Pro/Engineer and Maya are supported for Linux too.

800

1,973 posts

266 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Buffalo said:
Does bootcamp allow ALL programmes that run on a PC to run on a mac..? Thinking stuff like CAD based programmes that AFAIK only have a windows code written for them at the moment.



>> Edited by Buffalo on Tuesday 30th May 09:20



We are presently testing Bootcamp on an iMac. We need to use AutoCAD from time to time, this is only available for Windows.
AutoCAD, is working fine on XP using Bootcamp.

Its a huge technical step forward for us, it enables us to run a Mac office network with the ability to use Windows (without emulation) when we need to.

Does what it says on the tin.

pjskel

10,842 posts

257 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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Bodo said:
That depends on the graphics hardware requirements of the CAD software!!! Macintoshs, both Intel and PPC, don't come with hardware accelerated OpenGL graphics adapters like Nvidia's Quatro range and ATI's FireGL, because there are no drivers available for Macintosh.
Software like Unigraphics, Pro/Engineer and Catia are only guranteed to work with this hardware or on dedicated UNIX workstations, and Solidworks iirc too.
If your buying decision depends on having hardware accelerated OpenGL, don't buy a Mac yet. If you need a UNIX-esque environment for dual boot, install Linux beside Windows. Drivers for both graphics-chipsets are provided for Linux by its manufacturers, and at least Pro/Engineer and Maya are supported for Linux too.



AHEM! PowerMac G5 has option of QUADRO FX4500 should you need it - for £1100.

Bodo

12,608 posts

296 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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pjskel said:
Bodo said:
That depends on the graphics hardware requirements of the CAD software!!! Macintoshs, both Intel and PPC, don't come with hardware accelerated OpenGL graphics adapters like Nvidia's Quatro range and ATI's FireGL, because there are no drivers available for Macintosh.
Software like Unigraphics, Pro/Engineer and Catia are only guranteed to work with this hardware or on dedicated UNIX workstations, and Solidworks iirc too.
If your buying decision depends on having hardware accelerated OpenGL, don't buy a Mac yet. If you need a UNIX-esque environment for dual boot, install Linux beside Windows. Drivers for both graphics-chipsets are provided for Linux by its manufacturers, and at least Pro/Engineer and Maya are supported for Linux too.



AHEM! PowerMac G5 has option of QUADRO FX4500 should you need it - for £1100.
Oh yes, you're right - I've researched, and they're still available! Thanks for pointing that out
It's likely that they will be offered again when the Power Mac precedessor with Intel architecture is introduced; however that means that you'd have to wait anyway to have boot camp and quadro graphics in one machine.

polus

4,343 posts

255 months

Tuesday 30th May 2006
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billb said:
cases yes but we're talking about someone who has no interest in computers just wants to buy a dell or mac etc and be done with it


Yes loads of PC's are built around these case, ready to run!