Squealing brakes! HELP!
Squealing brakes! HELP!
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matt-man

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2,667 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Hey all,

Any ideas why my brakes are squealing on the front???..its so bad when my brakes have warmed up, when driving through town and i get some 'lady attention' i have to look at the nearby bus/lorry and point and shake my head to shift the blame!....not so good when there are no busses!

Anyhow, ive got a 400 (although im sure you know that!) standard brakes but with mintex road/track pads. Ive tried to greae them all over but doesnt last at all...should i have shims? If so where do i get them! They work, surprisingly well from fellow wedgers comparision stories!

Any ideas???

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Are you certain it's not the passenger squealing

cdt

537 posts

311 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Brake pads often make a sound to indicate they are worn - presume this isn't the case.

A friend who has a skyline has fitted track spec pads and these squeal when braking, I think its quite common?

>> Edited by cdt on Tuesday 23 May 21:24

matt-man

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2,667 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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well they definatly have tons of life left! they've only done 1000 miles!

Its so annoying, so annoying that im tempted to get new pads...the mintex pnes where £60 notes though!

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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There are a few tricks I've tried in the past, no one approach is infallible but one or other of them usually works.

Clean up the caliper where the pad rests against it. Grease the back of the pads. This introduces damping between the pads and the piston/caliper bridge, which damps down the vibration. Clean the grease off and use anti-squeal paste instead (non-setting adhesive). Chamfer the edges of the pad.

matt-man

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2,667 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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well ive tried most of these, but ive not tried shaving the pads....would lose pads not cause more vibration/hence more squeal?

blaineuk

2,615 posts

276 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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check the pads are not glazed

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

271 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Shims work well. If you have trouble getting the proper stainless ones you could try cutting up an old coke can - two holes for the retaining pins.

GasMonkey

475 posts

250 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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As already mentioned

1. Flat the pads off on some rough 60 grit paper & chamfer edges of pad
2. Clean the 'slides' in the caliper (the little 'ears' on the pads sit here)
3. Apply copperslip to rear of pads and slides (liberally)
4. Take off any lips off the disc

Should do the trick

>> Edited by GasMonkey on Tuesday 23 May 22:14

leorest

2,346 posts

268 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Anti-squeal shims can be bought from your friendly Halfords store if you know what vehicle they were common to.

Leo

matt-man

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248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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why would the pads go glazed? As i said, they've only been on there for about 3 months and done about 1000 miles...

I was wondering if the shims should be in there? There wernt any which came out then i changed the pads?

The bible isnt clear as to weather the 400 should have shims or not...i wouldnt know where to start to get those from a motor factors!! Guess its another RT racing then!

Would the coke can idea work? Do the shims stop the squealing?

matt-man

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248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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leorest said:
Anti-squeal shims can be bought from your friendly Halfords store if you know what vehicle they were common to.

Leo


any ideas?

GasMonkey

475 posts

250 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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matt-man said:
why would the pads go glazed? As i said, they've only been on there for about 3 months and done about 1000 miles...



That's quite likely to be the reason, the pads will glaze up as the face overheats, may be caused by irregular use and slightly corroding discs,
effectivly with little mileage all the pads do is scrape the surface corrosion off and get hot. It happens over a period of time so cleaning them up will help

If the pads are glazed they will be shiny and not rough

Hope that helps GM

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Glaze - it you use them too hard too soon after fitment..

grahamw48

9,944 posts

267 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Agree.

Hence - 'running in' your new pads for a day or two.

matt-man

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2,667 posts

248 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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yeah i always run them in...guess i have a few things to try now! they cant get much worse once they warm up!!!

grahamw48

9,944 posts

267 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Good luck mate.

Gave mine a wash this afty (following a good hooligan hoon). That was enough car-related energy expenditure for one day.

I'm a great believer in 'if it works don't fix it'. So I won't.

I still can't get over how much better the brakes are on these 400s - means I can go much faster everywhere.

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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No shims on my 400, just the securing pins and springs. Some pads do squeal due to the high metal content - I ran some Pagid's which did this, and worse were race spec. DS3000's. Which Mintex pads are you using - if track orientated, that may well be the reason. Some pads, especially Ferodo, also have insulating pads bonded to the backplate.

7.

matt-man

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248 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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yeah guessing that the pads could be the problem...my dads got the same on his ultima and they squeak, but a different league to mine!

Just looking on the reciept, they were from Richard thorpe and were 'Mintex Pads Fast Road'....

Ill call him later, he seems to know his cookies!

Definatly dont want to go all the way to lemans with the brakes like they are! They work well but cant live with the noise!

leorest

2,346 posts

268 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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matt-man said:
leorest said:
Anti-squeal shims can be bought from your friendly Halfords store if you know what vehicle they were common to.
Leo
any ideas?
Don't know what was fitted to the 400 sorry. I'm sure others will though. Worst case take an old pad down and find the shim that matches it's silhouette.