968 Club Sport
Discussion
After speaking to someone today about buying a wrx sti ra as a track car they have told me that this is still a heavy car and will feel like driving a buss though the bends unless i modd the suspension and other bits.
I want to buy a car that is ready to track but can be driven as a second car when needs be. So if i can afford to spend more and get a club sport do you think this is the car to go for? Anyone know of any good ones including the ones advertised in the classified(cant be red and not keen on yellow unless its an amazing price)?
thanks
I want to buy a car that is ready to track but can be driven as a second car when needs be. So if i can afford to spend more and get a club sport do you think this is the car to go for? Anyone know of any good ones including the ones advertised in the classified(cant be red and not keen on yellow unless its an amazing price)?
thanks
WRX STi RA a heavy car, like a bus? 
possibly if you're comparing it to a Caterham or Elise, but otherwise thats a load of bollox.
depending which version it is the weights range from 1200 to 1300kg, so may actually be lighter than a 968. (disclaimer: I'm not sure if those were dry or wet weights)
They're great fun to drive, the type RAs (and R's) have the DCCD (driver controlled centre diff) which when set to open is 64% rear 36% front, so they don't suffer from the understeer than regular WRXs have. STi's officially 280bhp but often more, and easily tweaked to 300+. Turbo 4wd's will generally be fairly hard on consumables like tyres and brakes though.
however, having said that, if a classically handling rear-drive sportscar is what you're looking for, go for the 968 and you'll have more fun than in the Impreza. both have excellent handling, but the 968 should be a lot more communicative. Impreza has the advantage of practicality, 4 doors etc, very quick from anywhere to anywhere else, but if you're buying mainly for a track car that may not be an issue.
>> Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 24th May 05:36
possibly if you're comparing it to a Caterham or Elise, but otherwise thats a load of bollox. depending which version it is the weights range from 1200 to 1300kg, so may actually be lighter than a 968. (disclaimer: I'm not sure if those were dry or wet weights)
They're great fun to drive, the type RAs (and R's) have the DCCD (driver controlled centre diff) which when set to open is 64% rear 36% front, so they don't suffer from the understeer than regular WRXs have. STi's officially 280bhp but often more, and easily tweaked to 300+. Turbo 4wd's will generally be fairly hard on consumables like tyres and brakes though.
however, having said that, if a classically handling rear-drive sportscar is what you're looking for, go for the 968 and you'll have more fun than in the Impreza. both have excellent handling, but the 968 should be a lot more communicative. Impreza has the advantage of practicality, 4 doors etc, very quick from anywhere to anywhere else, but if you're buying mainly for a track car that may not be an issue.
>> Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 24th May 05:36
A 968CS is certainly very highly regarded as a track car mainly for its handling and balance rather than outright power (240 bhp IIRC). I think you'll find you pay a bit of a premium for one though.
If you fancied something that was amenable to a bit of tuning (and cheaper to start with) how about a late 944 turbo? Similar balance and handling characteristics to a 968, but with a lot more devewlopment potential. Also equally (if not more) practical as a second car - no rear seats in a 968CS.
cheers
Dan
If you fancied something that was amenable to a bit of tuning (and cheaper to start with) how about a late 944 turbo? Similar balance and handling characteristics to a 968, but with a lot more devewlopment potential. Also equally (if not more) practical as a second car - no rear seats in a 968CS.
cheers
Dan
Agree with the above - I have never driven a Subaru or any car of that ilk, but i imagine that a CS is going to be a lot more rewarding to drive on track - its a fairly pure RWD experience with no trickery to help you along. They can feel underpowered, but you are a young fella with money in your pocket, so buy a decent CS, get the suspension upgraded with KW 3-way and slap on a supercharger and away you go with a superb handling 300bhp + car! Of the ones currently for sale here, I reckon these might be good options for you (no affiliation, although I have driven one of these cars before it was modded)
www.pistonheads.com/sales/59902.htm - great looking car owned by a Porsche racer
www.pistonheads.com/sales/53875.htm - a famous 968 - modded with no holds barred. A 'ring veteran.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/79689.htm - just come up - looks interesting, but top money.
...or if you don't want to spend much up front and want to do your own thing with mods, this car is a good, cheap starting point with a strong engine (OK, I know this car a little)
www.pistonheads.com/sales/65082.htm - you could buy this car, change seats and steering wheel, put in a half cage, KW 3-way and a supercharger and you would still have change from £20k and have an awesome car.
Edited to add: OK, just re-read your first post and you want something track ready. A guy on the 968 forum used to have a lovely M030 CS but sold it for a GT3. The new owner put it up for sale again recently - not sure if it is still available. A great car though.
>> Edited by david968s on Wednesday 24th May 09:34
www.pistonheads.com/sales/59902.htm - great looking car owned by a Porsche racer
www.pistonheads.com/sales/53875.htm - a famous 968 - modded with no holds barred. A 'ring veteran.
www.pistonheads.com/sales/79689.htm - just come up - looks interesting, but top money.
...or if you don't want to spend much up front and want to do your own thing with mods, this car is a good, cheap starting point with a strong engine (OK, I know this car a little)
www.pistonheads.com/sales/65082.htm - you could buy this car, change seats and steering wheel, put in a half cage, KW 3-way and a supercharger and you would still have change from £20k and have an awesome car.
Edited to add: OK, just re-read your first post and you want something track ready. A guy on the 968 forum used to have a lovely M030 CS but sold it for a GT3. The new owner put it up for sale again recently - not sure if it is still available. A great car though.
>> Edited by david968s on Wednesday 24th May 09:34
Bund - the 968 forum is at www.porsche968uk.co.uk/phpbb/index.php
you'll pay a premium for yellow, so don't expect a discount for it
lewis tintin's (as found by david968) had my radar twitching
www.pistonheads.com/sales/59902.ht
lovely looking car, sensible money
lewis tintin's (as found by david968) had my radar twitching
www.pistonheads.com/sales/59902.ht
lovely looking car, sensible money
Even cheaper and just as much fun as a 968 is a 944S2 or Turbo!
As for the WRX's I did my ARDS in a type uk 'thingy' and it was the most uninvolving track driving experirnce i've ever had... quick though.. just didnt "feel" anything.
If you are going on the 968 forum it might be worth asking if Del's car is still for sale, from what i remember it was one of the most "sorted" cars out there.
As for the WRX's I did my ARDS in a type uk 'thingy' and it was the most uninvolving track driving experirnce i've ever had... quick though.. just didnt "feel" anything.
If you are going on the 968 forum it might be worth asking if Del's car is still for sale, from what i remember it was one of the most "sorted" cars out there.
doctorpepper said:
Even cheaper and just as much fun as a 968 is a 944S2 or Turbo!
As for the WRX's I did my ARDS in a type uk 'thingy' and it was the most uninvolving track driving experirnce i've ever had... quick though.. just didnt "feel" anything.
If you are going on the 968 forum it might be worth asking if Del's car is still for sale, from what i remember it was one of the most "sorted" cars out there.
Yes Del's car is still for sale.
My car is one of the ones that David mentioned further up the thread. I am in Reading, if you fancy coming to have a look let me know.
968csreading said:
Even cheaper and just as much fun as a 968 is a 944S2 or Turbo!
As for the WRX's I did my ARDS in a type uk 'thingy' and it was the most uninvolving track driving experirnce i've ever had... quick though.. just didnt "feel" anything.
If you are going on the 968 forum it might be worth asking if Del's car is still for sale, from what i remember it was one of the most "sorted" cars out there.
Yes Del's car is still for sale.
My car is one of the ones that David mentioned further up the thread. I am in Reading, if you fancy coming to have a look let me know.
Thanks but really do not want a red one, it does look a good car though. What colours is this Dels? Does anyone know where i can find the spec and price etc?
thanks
Bund, Del's is this one that I mentioned above www.pistonheads.com/sales/53875.htm but it is in red and LHD. The spec is spot on for a modified 968. I drove his car before he modified it and it was a lovely low mileage car in great condition. He spent an awful lot of money modifying it and learning how to drive it properly.
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