Repeater Signs
Discussion
Am I wrong in thinking that repeater signs in, for example, a 30 mph limit, have to be within a specified distance of each other? Also, should there always be one directly opposite on the other side of the road?
One last thing...a speed limit going straight from N.S.L. to 30 mph, or 20 mph...I'm noticing more of them lately. Is it not the case that there should be a buffer zone rather than such a sudden change?
One last thing...a speed limit going straight from N.S.L. to 30 mph, or 20 mph...I'm noticing more of them lately. Is it not the case that there should be a buffer zone rather than such a sudden change?
Whilst repeaters are not required on lit (street lighting) 30 mph roads, they are on unlit 30's and other limits.
Traffic Signs & General Directions 2002 require these to be present to comply and make an enforceable limit but does not define the intervals themsleves. But, Dept of Transport gives advice to LA's in relation to signage of repeaters and if they do not conform then it can be put forward as a illegal limit to the bench on a NG plea.
Wend your way to
www.tinyurl.com/cqttz where these intervals are explained.
dvd
Traffic Signs & General Directions 2002 require these to be present to comply and make an enforceable limit but does not define the intervals themsleves. But, Dept of Transport gives advice to LA's in relation to signage of repeaters and if they do not conform then it can be put forward as a illegal limit to the bench on a NG plea.
Wend your way to
www.tinyurl.com/cqttz where these intervals are explained.
dvd
There's a road down in cornwall - the coast road between St Just and St Ives - that had a 30mph slapped on it a while ago. If memory serves, for 5 or 6 miles, it's a 30mph limit. There's 2 or 3 villages, which is fair enough, but the lovely stretches in between are still 30 limit. There are no repeaters though, just a big yellow sign every half mile (or more) saying "30mph limit still applies".
Is that legal?
Is that legal?
Dwight VanDriver said:Excellent, thank you
...Wend your way to
www.tinyurl.com/cqttz where these intervals are explained.
dvd
Situation is a chap at work was re-routed on his way home by plod due to an accident, and then the village he was routed through (recently reduced from 40 mph to 30 mph limit) had some friendly safety camera people parked up. He's 62 and has never had points on his licence, so it'd be rude to just take them without looking in to it. Cheers again.
timbob said:
There's a road down in cornwall - the coast road between St Just and St Ives - that had a 30mph slapped on it a while ago. If memory serves, for 5 or 6 miles, it's a 30mph limit. There's 2 or 3 villages, which is fair enough, but the lovely stretches in between are still 30 limit. There are no repeaters though, just a big yellow sign every half mile (or more) saying "30mph limit still applies".
Is that legal?
I'm sure I saw similar in North Wales last week...
motco said:
There's a road down in cornwall - the coast road between St Just and St Ives - that had a 30mph slapped on it a while ago. If memory serves, for 5 or 6 miles, it's a 30mph limit. There's 2 or 3 villages, which is fair enough, but the lovely stretches in between are still 30 limit. There are no repeaters though, just a big yellow sign every half mile (or more) saying "30mph limit still applies".
Is that legal?
I'm sure I saw similar in North Wales last week...
That's a shame - the B3306 is a terrific road. Of course if no repeaters and no streetlights, then sadly no conviction can follow...
North Wales seems to have a rash of villages with black speed signs -- black circles instead of red ones. Obviously not enforceable, and possibly illegal as if they are confusingly similar to prescribed road signs mounted on the public highway -- the LA is authorised to remove them. But they were probably the ones who put them there in the first place. DfT and Plod seem reluctant to flex muscles in this regard, although both could.
fid said:
One last thing...a speed limit going straight from N.S.L. to 30 mph, or 20 mph...I'm noticing more of them lately. Is it not the case that there should be a buffer zone rather than such a sudden change?
this buffer thing has been talked about before but I have no knowledge of anything in the legal framework which suggest this.
There may be something hidden away in one of the DfT Roads Advisory Leaflets bulletins leaflets but tbh I have never seen anything.
Mentioned before but I have encountered such a change on the M6, or more specifically just off it. Junction where the motorway splits and tbh one should have pegged speed back, but technically still a 70. Just around a bend in the exit road the limit drops straight to 20 ready for some road works up ahead. Last time I went there were no countdown signs and the road works ahead signs were missing / blown down, who knows?
The first thing was the 20 limit sign.
So there you are, down to 20, because it really looks like a potential prime scamming spot, even if to my knowledge thay actually don't ping people there, and of course looming large in the mirrors are vehicles driven by folks who don't / more likely won't read the language of the highway.
Since that 70>20 situation arose I have deliberately re-routed to avoid using that junction whenever possible.
FiF
fid said:
One last thing...a speed limit going straight from N.S.L. to 30 mph, or 20 mph...I'm noticing more of them lately. Is it not the case that there should be a buffer zone rather than such a sudden change?
Advice in the old technical circular was that you should NOT do this buffer speed limit zone - speed limits changed according to the character of the road and that could be from 70 dual carriageway to 30 through a town.
More recent advice, as far as I am aware, has removed the "you must not" - ie you can put in buffer zones if you want. I don't think it goes as far as to say you have to though.
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