NIP, name a pikey?

[Boosted LS1]

I'm curious, what would happen if you named paddy the pikey from the council gypo site as having driven your car?

Could you then ignore the pratnership & cps, having fulfilled your obligations? You wouldn't be obliged to correspond any more afaik?

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[Dwight VanDriver]

So your atwiddling thumbs Mike......Stop it.

172 RTA 88 request states that it is made to identify the driver.

My little OED says identify- "to establish identity of"

So on receipt of form with bogus name/address SCP send off and get no reply. Have you identified the driver. I think not and may have to answer awkward questions if it goes to Court.

Semblance every body could put down Mr M Mouse, c/o Disneyworld, Florida, USA and so escape? Dont think so.

rgds

dvd

[flemke]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Semblance every body could put down Mr M Mouse, c/o Disneyworld, Florida, USA and so escape? Dont think so.

Yes, but that's because his domicile is in Disneyland, California.
Disneyworld is just a holiday home, which he put in Minnie's name for estate-tax purposes.

[7db]

Notice that you may be required to prove that Paddy the Pikey had insurance to drive your car, or you may be facing a causing permitting aiding and abetting driving with no insurance. That's 6 points.

Mickey, I believe, has an any vehicle policy as a result of his studio contract.

[turbobloke]

7db said:

Notice that you may be required to prove that Paddy the Pikey had insurance to drive your car, or you may be facing a causing permitting aiding and abetting driving with no insurance. That's 6 points.

And with the advent of the 'new' forward facing GATSO supplementary IR cams, pick a pikey that looks like you - nice!

7db said:

Mickey, I believe, has an any vehicle policy as a result of his studio contract.

nobody would rat on him

[aw51 121565]

7db said:

Notice that you may be required to prove that Paddy the Pikey had insurance to drive your car, or you may be facing a causing permitting aiding and abetting driving with no insurance. That's 6 points. Mickey, I believe, has an any vehicle policy as a result of his studio contract.

One proves one's innocence as opposed to Regina proving one's guilt?



That quote is the answer we all expected by the way .

[BigBob]

7db said:

Notice that you may be required to prove that Paddy the Pikey had insurance to drive your car, or you may be facing a causing permitting aiding and abetting driving with no insurance. That's 6 points.

Just a question, and playing devil's advocate for a minute, Why and how could I prove 'Paddy the Pikey' had insurance.

He *MAY* have shown me his insurance at the time but if the combined might of the police can't find him, exactly how am I supposed to?

I'm thinking for instance of a local garage who ran a 'Rent-a-Wreck' car hire. The guy was perfectly happy to rent you a car on your cover at a discounted rate, provided he saw insurance details and you left a deposit to ensure the cars safe return. All he was worried about was getting a deposit large enough to cover the cost of the car should you vanish into thin air (was obviously less if he knew you) and to cover the excess on your insurance.

Is this just another step along the road of guilty till proven innocent?

Not stirring honest - just curious.




BB

[Boosted LS1]

Evening H, I'm just wondering how far you have to go to satisfy your obligations. the Vine show on the radio today was very interesting with people point sharing, even amongst dead relatives.

7db, why would you be obliged to prove anything, that's just cobblers imo. You sent the form back maybe that's end of. So he showed me proof of insurance and arrived in a big 4wd. You've presumably fulfilled your obglitaions so let them get on with it, pursuing said pikey.

I'm just wondering if this would clog up the system and hey, nobody likes pikeys

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[Boosted LS1]

Just a further thought H, should I ask to see a pikey passport (as if he has one), like the dvla when they want to reissue a 20 year old DL? How much responsibility would/should rest with the nip recepient? How can a car seller prove the buyers bona fide address?

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[7db]

For clarity, you would just have to introduce reasonable doubt that you didn't permit the pikey to drive without insurance. Obviously if you copied his insurance details that would introduce doubt, and if you ran a business where you were in the habit of demanding to see insurance documents, then that might introduce the necessary doubt too. If you don't have firm evidence then it will be your statement on oath which you rely on to get you off. That might not be enough.

If you let someone drive your car, then you do need to safisfy yourself that they are insured, and you might later need to provide evidence to a court which casts doubt on the accusation that you did not.

The alternative of the parent permitting to drive without insurance is also used in TWOCing cases where a child takes a car.

[Boosted LS1]

7db, if a guy turns up here in a car and says he has insurance then I'd be inclined to believe him, for a short test drive anyway.

What business would that be to the scamerati. Surely it would be for them to ask paddy for his insurance details, not me. It's for them or the bib to look into these matters.

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[matchless]

seriosly thinking of being of no fixed abode here actually!, imagine it when asked by the BIB, NFA mate, confusion rules lol

[vonhosen]

matchless said:

seriosly thinking of being of no fixed abode here actually!, imagine it when asked by the BIB, NFA mate, confusion rules lol

Wouldn't advise you give that reply if stopped.

[V8 Archie]

vonhosen said:

Wouldn't advise you give that reply if stopped.

Any particular reason?

[Pigeon]

You'll be arrested so you don't disappear off into the wide blue yonder before they've decided they're not interested in you...

[davidra]

why is it a crime to be of NFA?

This is my situation, I ensure I get my post and am law-abiding - I even submit my tax returns every year - yet I do not reside in the country for more than a few weeks per year. My UK driving is done in company cars on company insurance schemes which cover anyone sanctioned to drive over age 25.

So why should I expect to be arrested for NFA?

regards
dave

[vonhosen]

davidra said:

why is it a crime to be of NFA? This is my situation, I ensure I get my post and am law-abiding - I even submit my tax returns every year - yet I do not reside in the country for more than a few weeks per year. My UK driving is done in company cars on company insurance schemes which cover anyone sanctioned to drive over age 25. So why should I expect to be arrested for NFA? regards dave

If you just state NFA, you haven't supplied an address for service of a summons. If the summons can't be served, then you'll have to be taken straight before a court.

[vonhosen]

davidra said:

why is it a crime to be of NFA? This is my situation, I ensure I get my post and am law-abiding - I even submit my tax returns every year - yet I do not reside in the country for more than a few weeks per year. My UK driving is done in company cars on company insurance schemes which cover anyone sanctioned to drive over age 25. So why should I expect to be arrested for NFA? regards dave

It's not a crime, just limits the way you can be dealt with.
If you just state NFA & don't give a suitable address to the officer, you haven't satisfied the requirement of providing an address for the service of a summons.
If the summons can't be served, then you'll have to be taken straight before a court.

[vonhosen]

davidra said:

why is it a crime to be of NFA? This is my situation, I ensure I get my post and am law-abiding - I even submit my tax returns every year - yet I do not reside in the country for more than a few weeks per year. My UK driving is done in company cars on company insurance schemes which cover anyone sanctioned to drive over age 25. So why should I expect to be arrested for NFA? regards dave

It's not a crime, just limits the way you can be dealt with if stopped.
If you just state NFA & don't give a suitable address to the officer, you haven't satisfied the requirement of providing an address for the service of a summons.
If the summons can't be served, then you'll have to be taken straight before a court.

[vonhosen]

davidra said:

why is it a crime to be of NFA? This is my situation, I ensure I get my post and am law-abiding - I even submit my tax returns every year - yet I do not reside in the country for more than a few weeks per year. My UK driving is done in company cars on company insurance schemes which cover anyone sanctioned to drive over age 25. So why should I expect to be arrested for NFA? regards dave

It's not a crime, just limits the way you can be dealt with.
If you just state NFA & don't give a suitable address to the officer, you haven't satisfied the requirement of providing an address for the service of a summons.
If the summons can't be served, then you'll have to be taken straight before a court.