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Why couldn't pit stops be made optional? Are pit stops required?
I would think the lack of pit stops would place greater emphasis on the driver.
Is there any way that the Daytona 500, Indy 500, Monaco, and Le Mans could allow drivers outside of IRL/Cart, F1, LeMans series, NASCAR to give these races greater following? Can you imagine the buzz of Schumaker driving in the Indy 500? Jeff Gordon racing Monaco?
Could we create a world drivers rating system to reward the greatest drivers in the world rather than rely on Autosport to rank the top 50?
I would think the lack of pit stops would place greater emphasis on the driver.
Is there any way that the Daytona 500, Indy 500, Monaco, and Le Mans could allow drivers outside of IRL/Cart, F1, LeMans series, NASCAR to give these races greater following? Can you imagine the buzz of Schumaker driving in the Indy 500? Jeff Gordon racing Monaco?
Could we create a world drivers rating system to reward the greatest drivers in the world rather than rely on Autosport to rank the top 50?
Re the pitstop question: If you are talking about F1, I don't think pitstops are mandatory, but obviously it is possible to complete the races quicker if you pit. I don't think any of the cars have a big enough tank to do a whole race without pitting.
>> Edited by SamHH on Friday 26th May 17:33
>> Edited by SamHH on Friday 26th May 17:33
Spot on, no car in F1 has a tank big enough.
And now tyre stops are back the compounds are much softer so there is no way 1 set of tyres would last.
Plus, without pitstops MS would never win!!
In my oppinion they should change the regs so either there are no stops or limit the men in the box so it takes ages, let the racing be on the track!
And now tyre stops are back the compounds are much softer so there is no way 1 set of tyres would last.
Plus, without pitstops MS would never win!!
In my oppinion they should change the regs so either there are no stops or limit the men in the box so it takes ages, let the racing be on the track!
An F1 car has only once (as far as I can remember) completed a race without refuelling since it was allowed in 1994. The Tyrrell of Mika Salo managed to complete the 1997 Monaco grand prix without having to visit the pits to finish 5th (albeit one lap down). The race was scheduled for 78 laps but was stopped after the maximum allowed time of 2 hours due to the poor wet weather and slow average speed.
There's no limit on the size of fuel tank used in F1 but of course a full load for a race will be slower than running a smaller tank running with less fuel and pitting during the race.
There's no limit on the size of fuel tank used in F1 but of course a full load for a race will be slower than running a smaller tank running with less fuel and pitting during the race.
jpf said:
Why couldn't pit stops be made optional? Are pit stops required?
I would think the lack of pit stops would place greater emphasis on the driver.
Is there any way that the Daytona 500, Indy 500, Monaco, and Le Mans could allow drivers outside of IRL/Cart, F1, LeMans series, NASCAR to give these races greater following? Can you imagine the buzz of Schumaker driving in the Indy 500? Jeff Gordon racing Monaco?
Could we create a world drivers rating system to reward the greatest drivers in the world rather than rely on Autosport to rank the top 50?
no pit stops are not required. its just quicker to have them.
contracts generally dictate what a driver can and cannot race in. sebastian loeb is racing at le mans this year.
a world points system? not really a great idea as there are different amounts of races per year for the different race series'.
I just don't like reading about passing in the pits.
Too bad about not being able to elevate certain events to encompass other drivers. It would draw fans from all over and would be more exciting than the ROC. Somehow, the thought of the top 2 drivers from IRL/CART/F1/ALMS (and its European equivalent)being given a car from the top team would create a story line that may get the NASCAR crowd into Monaco and the Monaco crowd into NASCAR.
Those contracts really bugger things up!
Too bad about not being able to elevate certain events to encompass other drivers. It would draw fans from all over and would be more exciting than the ROC. Somehow, the thought of the top 2 drivers from IRL/CART/F1/ALMS (and its European equivalent)being given a car from the top team would create a story line that may get the NASCAR crowd into Monaco and the Monaco crowd into NASCAR.
Those contracts really bugger things up!
Four Wheel Drift - you should really have said "re-allowed in 1994". Fuel stops had been allowed from 1906 all the way through to 1983. They were pretty much esential right up until the 1.5 litre era began in 1961. After that, they dropped out of favour until Bernie Ecclestone re-introduced combined fuel and tyre stops for his Brabham team in 1982.
Following a serious fire at the 1983 Brazilian GP when Keke Rosberg was set fire to by his Williams crew, FISA decided that fuel stops were too risky and banned them from the 1984 season onwards.
They were re-introduced in 1994 purely as an attempt to "spice up the action" although the FIA had also decided that it was actually safer to have racing cars running around with less fuel in their tanks rather than filled to the gunwhals. I never really saw the logic in that. More fires have been caused by refuelling mishaps than accidents. The last serious fire in an accident had been Gerhard Berger's big off at the Tamburello in 1989.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 27th May 09:46
Following a serious fire at the 1983 Brazilian GP when Keke Rosberg was set fire to by his Williams crew, FISA decided that fuel stops were too risky and banned them from the 1984 season onwards.
They were re-introduced in 1994 purely as an attempt to "spice up the action" although the FIA had also decided that it was actually safer to have racing cars running around with less fuel in their tanks rather than filled to the gunwhals. I never really saw the logic in that. More fires have been caused by refuelling mishaps than accidents. The last serious fire in an accident had been Gerhard Berger's big off at the Tamburello in 1989.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Saturday 27th May 09:46
FourWheelDrift said:
An F1 car has only once (as far as I can remember) completed a race without refuelling since it was allowed in 1994. The Tyrrell of Mika Salo managed to complete the 1997 Monaco grand prix without having to visit the pits to finish 5th (albeit one lap down). The race was scheduled for 78 laps but was stopped after the maximum allowed time of 2 hours due to the poor wet weather and slow average speed.
There's no limit on the size of fuel tank used in F1 but of course a full load for a race will be slower than running a smaller tank running with less fuel and pitting during the race.
i am sure bennetton did it a few times in the late eighties early nineties. i think Alessandro Nannini came second at one race beaten by senna. Nannini didnt stop and i think piquet came third. might have to summon the google gods though....
Eric Mc said:
Famously, many didn't. It was quite fun watching people runm out of fuel in the closing laps. It happened to everyone at least once.
Monaco 1982 springs to mind, 3 leaders on the last lap there. Pironi was leading but ran out of fuel in the tunnel, then deCesaris but he ran out of fuel around Casino Sq (IIRC) and then Patrese who even managed to spin at Loews on the last lap before managing to take the win. Perhaps more amazing was that Pironi was still 2nd and deCesaris was still 3rd as the next man was Mansell a lap down on the three.
Monaco 82 was a bit of a classic, although I always though that Pironi had damaged electrics. Hunt THOUGHT he'd run out of fuel and that was his immediate recation in his live commentary.
Senna ran out of fuel quite a lot when he drove for Lotus. He knew he didn't really have much chance of winning so he would often run the car on full turbo-boost in 1st place until the fuel ran out.
Senna ran out of fuel quite a lot when he drove for Lotus. He knew he didn't really have much chance of winning so he would often run the car on full turbo-boost in 1st place until the fuel ran out.
jpf said:
Shorten the race to 2 150km sprints and award points for placing within each sprint or, how about a 75km sprint on Saturday with the 300km race Sunday and award a third of the points on Saturday, 2/3 on Sunday?
No way hose. The last thing F1 needs is to be made more complicated.
With the engine rules, the cars are doing minimal practicing on Friday/Saturday and, if you know your car won't crack the top ten, you'll save your engine for Sunday. IF you have a sprint race where it is driver against driver and there are points involved, I think the level of competitiveness would increase--plus the drivers would need to know how to
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