Discussion
Hi,
Looking for a little bit of info on these.
There seems to be some differing views on the warranty for this car. I understand it is a two year warranty from new, but is it renewable? My mate is 90% sure he recalls speaking to a Porsche garage who said they would renew the warranty if he was buying one from them outside warranty. He's well clued up on these things but he's not 100% sure, and I recall reading somewhere that it wasn't renewable (it might have even been on the Porsche GB website but I couldn't seem to find it again!). Main dealer is calling me back on Monday, but just wanted to know if anyone had any info on here (not all main dealers seem to be in accord with information unfortunately)?
Also, how much is a clutch, major and minor services, and are the tyres special order stuff that you've got to wait ages for should you get unlucky with a damaged tyre etc (or indeed if you wear them out and didn't order in advance ha ha ha)?
Finally, I hear people saying trade bids on these are less than 200k, but how much under 200k? Is it 190k,180k,160k?? I have been given a residual of 120k over 5 years, is that about right or is there merit in asking for higher? Is it possible to obtain one at 200k, and not in SILVER? Would have to be black (or yellow but they are rare, right?).
Oh, and while I'm here (
)how tricky is the roof to fit and remove? Similar to a targa on a 355, or better or worse?
Looking for a little bit of info on these.
There seems to be some differing views on the warranty for this car. I understand it is a two year warranty from new, but is it renewable? My mate is 90% sure he recalls speaking to a Porsche garage who said they would renew the warranty if he was buying one from them outside warranty. He's well clued up on these things but he's not 100% sure, and I recall reading somewhere that it wasn't renewable (it might have even been on the Porsche GB website but I couldn't seem to find it again!). Main dealer is calling me back on Monday, but just wanted to know if anyone had any info on here (not all main dealers seem to be in accord with information unfortunately)?
Also, how much is a clutch, major and minor services, and are the tyres special order stuff that you've got to wait ages for should you get unlucky with a damaged tyre etc (or indeed if you wear them out and didn't order in advance ha ha ha)?
Finally, I hear people saying trade bids on these are less than 200k, but how much under 200k? Is it 190k,180k,160k?? I have been given a residual of 120k over 5 years, is that about right or is there merit in asking for higher? Is it possible to obtain one at 200k, and not in SILVER? Would have to be black (or yellow but they are rare, right?).
Oh, and while I'm here (
)how tricky is the roof to fit and remove? Similar to a targa on a 355, or better or worse?ninja_eli said:
Oh, and while I'm here (
With some step ladders i'm sure you'll be ok
J
Lol. P!ss off "George"!
he was only trying to help
Step ladders a bit difficult to fit in the boot.
surely your booster seat will pop out and make do?
rich1231 said:
he was only trying to help
Step ladders a bit difficult to fit in the boot.
surely your booster seat will pop out and make do?
Erm, shall I post this pic WITHOUT the blur? I think your swear filter blocked this one coming through, suffice to say a good few of us had a laugh at your expense lol, even the Salmon Jumper had a laugh at you, and it was justified, and he looked like a RIGHT dick!
Don't f**k with me, Rich, apologise or that pic is going up, sans blur!
ps. Will try to be there tomorrow, what about you Jamie..[cough]George[cough]?
ninja_eli said:For UK/Continent, the latest that I heard, as of maybe a month ago, was that Porsche were not willing to extend the warranty, but they were willing to offer another year or two of "Porsche Assist", which of course is almost worthless.
Hi,
Looking for a little bit of info on these.
There seems to be some differing views on the warranty for this car. I understand it is a two year warranty from new, but is it renewable? My mate is 90% sure he recalls speaking to a Porsche garage who said they would renew the warranty if he was buying one from them outside warranty. He's well clued up on these things but he's not 100% sure, and I recall reading somewhere that it wasn't renewable (it might have even been on the Porsche GB website but I couldn't seem to find it again!). Main dealer is calling me back on Monday, but just wanted to know if anyone had any info on here (not all main dealers seem to be in accord with information unfortunately)?
Also, how much is a clutch, major and minor services, and are the tyres special order stuff that you've got to wait ages for should you get unlucky with a damaged tyre etc (or indeed if you wear them out and didn't order in advance ha ha ha)?
Finally, I hear people saying trade bids on these are less than 200k, but how much under 200k? Is it 190k,180k,160k?? I have been given a residual of 120k over 5 years, is that about right or is there merit in asking for higher? Is it possible to obtain one at 200k, and not in SILVER? Would have to be black (or yellow but they are rare, right?).
Oh, and while I'm here (
You will be aware that all American buyers of the same car received a 4 year warranty (and a purchase price that was fixed in US$ at the time of order, which meant that they ended up paying about 15% less for their cars than Brits and Continentals did.
It may be true that trade bids are less than £200K. That is different from a vendor's offer for you to buy for less than £200K. There has been a conspicuous lack of cars advertised for sale in the last 3-4 months (at least relative to last year). Now that the production run is finished, one would expect to find a lot less price pressure than there had been.
Services are dear for a Porsche, about the same for a standard Ferrari.
Clutches are expensive. IIRC, a new one will set you back £5 grand. They're like the PCCB brakes: used properly they will last a long time; used incompetently they are fragile.
You need the valve clearances checked at 12,000 miles. The check can be done with engine in, although adjustment requires engine out.
Tyres are not hard to get; other cars (Zonda, K'egg) have adopted the very same boots and we can expected more carmakers to follow. Again, they're dear relative to more common tyres, but not off the charts. Unless there is a production problem at Michelin, I would expect availability within a day or two, and for PCGB normally to carry them in stock.
Removing or replacing the two roof elements is a doddle. Each weighs something like 2kg, and fits into place with little effort. To remove the pair and stow under the front lid takes one person maybe 2-3 minutes. Reinstalling is even quicker.
A word of caution - over about 120/130mph there is so much wind noise that you don't enjoy driving roofless. With the roof on, the interior is as quiet as in any other car.
I think something like 60% were silver, but that leaves enough in more creative colour choices.
Yellow would be a mistake, unless you're the purple Diablo type.
Btw, it is a fabulous car to drive. If you or your friend can swing it, go for it.
Edited by flemke on Saturday 3rd June 19:13
Seems strange that they wont warranty them, do they expect some large figure claims?
I recall you mentioning about RMS check Pre-2 yr expiry is 'advised'.. Given their 'usual' 9 yr limit on warranties (iirc) this does strike me as a little odd.
Any thoughts Flemke?
I'd also heard that for UK Road running you need a suspension lift to make even the most modest of cambers / humps passable..
from memory you keep yours on the continent as its better suited to their roads.
J
I recall you mentioning about RMS check Pre-2 yr expiry is 'advised'.. Given their 'usual' 9 yr limit on warranties (iirc) this does strike me as a little odd.
Any thoughts Flemke?
I'd also heard that for UK Road running you need a suspension lift to make even the most modest of cambers / humps passable..
from memory you keep yours on the continent as its better suited to their roads.
J
JamieBeeston said:I'm not sure why they're only offering the short warranty, although in fairness to them it was a provision of the contract that one signed at time of deposit, so one cannot complain about being surprised now.
Seems strange that they wont warranty them, do they expect some large figure claims?
I recall you mentioning about RMS check Pre-2 yr expiry is 'advised'.. Given their 'usual' 9 yr limit on warranties (iirc) this does strike me as a little odd.
Any thoughts Flemke?
I'd also heard that for UK Road running you need a suspension lift to make even the most modest of cambers / humps passable..
from memory you keep yours on the continent as its better suited to their roads.
J
One can complain about unequal treatment between American and other customers. If, however, US Porsche dealers themselves funded the extended warranty, then that is how it is.
Notwithstanding that, considering that the US market was largely responsible for both the bad inital press that the car got and the consequent supply overhang, you would think that Porsche AG would tell them to fork off or would at least do something to give the ROW owners a break.
Porsche also won't offer any extended service contract on 959s. I guess they figure that once people own the cars, they're stuck, so tough shite. Prices for 959 parts are indefensibly high (when the parts are even available, that is).
The front "ramp angle" of the CGT is no worse than it is on a 996 GT2. On all these low cars, speed bumps, road tables and other socialist filth are a nightmare, but with care you can almost always work around them. If that means that you hold up traffic for five minutes in order to traverse them safely, too bad. If the locals don't like it, let them instruct their councillors to clean up the rubbish in the road.
I wouldn't spend much time driving the CGT in the UK not because of the the speed bumps but because of the "normal" road surfaces. Every time that I drive back-to-back on Continental and UK roads, the staggering gap in road quality is immediately and unavoidably plain to see and feel. The CGT has marvelous standard damping, but it's too stiff to be bounced around.
I have no doubt that Labour, at least, are committed to maintaining the poor road quality. It enables them to piss away tax money on other pet projects, and it forces drivers to proceed more slowly.
Just because the UK is theoretically a democracy doesn't mean that the citizens can expect to have their priorities addressed. No, that will be decided by the more intelligent class that understands what's best for everyone.
"I have no doubt that Labour, at least, are committed to maintaining the poor road quality. It enables them to piss away tax money on other pet projects, and it forces drivers to proceed more slowly.
Just because the UK is theoretically a democracy doesn't mean that the citizens can expect to have their priorities addressed. No, that will be decided by the more intelligent class that understands what's best for everyone."
WELL SAID SIR.
I have recently started a 14 mile commute to work in the 996. It takes an hour and twenty minutes, thankfully followed by a good blast through the gears for the last couple of miles.
I am firmly convinced that "new Labia (=c
s)" has a definite policy of placing roadworks (with no one EVER working there.....), random coned off lanes and other obstructions to make those of us who DARE to work hard and have a nice car and use the roads suffer delay and discomfort. And this despite the fact that I pay well over £30,000 a year in taxes - presumably to pay for those who can't be bothered to work to sit on their FAT AR5ES and watch their subsidised TV all day eating pizza between claiming dole cheques and popping abroad for four weeks of sunshine holiday paid for by me.
I would still rather sit in air conditioned luxury and listen to Wogan for an hour than spend ON SECOND on New Labia's disgusting, overpriced and chav-infested pubic [sic] transport.....
And breathe.......................
Just because the UK is theoretically a democracy doesn't mean that the citizens can expect to have their priorities addressed. No, that will be decided by the more intelligent class that understands what's best for everyone."
WELL SAID SIR.
I have recently started a 14 mile commute to work in the 996. It takes an hour and twenty minutes, thankfully followed by a good blast through the gears for the last couple of miles.
I am firmly convinced that "new Labia (=c
s)" has a definite policy of placing roadworks (with no one EVER working there.....), random coned off lanes and other obstructions to make those of us who DARE to work hard and have a nice car and use the roads suffer delay and discomfort. And this despite the fact that I pay well over £30,000 a year in taxes - presumably to pay for those who can't be bothered to work to sit on their FAT AR5ES and watch their subsidised TV all day eating pizza between claiming dole cheques and popping abroad for four weeks of sunshine holiday paid for by me. I would still rather sit in air conditioned luxury and listen to Wogan for an hour than spend ON SECOND on New Labia's disgusting, overpriced and chav-infested pubic [sic] transport.....
And breathe.......................
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Saturday 3rd June 20:36
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Dakkon said:A lot of folks might disagree. That doesn't mean that they're right.
[quote=flemke]I think something like 60% were silver, but that leaves enough in more creative colour choices.
Yellow would be a mistake, unless you're the purple Diablo type.[quote]
The current long term writer in Evo would disagree
I can somewhat admire the spirit of the person who chooses yellow.
The problems are:
- These solid bright colours (the Orange and Lime Green on new GT3 RSs would be other examples) are awkward on big cars. The colour itself dominates the flowing lines. The image becomes a glowing ball of colour, rather than an integration of contours and surfaces.
- The particular CGT yellow is mediocre at best.
There are absolutely stunning yellows around. Ruf do one, which they call "Yellowbird". Honda do one (it may be 'Rio Yellow Pearl') which I've seen on S2000s and which is gorgeous. It would almost be worth buying an S2000 just to have that colour to enjoy.
Anyhow, the guy who repainted the CGT yellow was exercising his rights in a free society, and putting his money where his mouth was. One respects him for those things. It's just that he goofed.
Edited by flemke on Sunday 4th June 11:05
bluesatin said:
Nice to see the Minja is back. Brings back memories of PH youth!
Don't you start! How are you anyway, and the erm rubber gloves, and er, the chemicals?
flemke said:
For UK/Continent, the latest that I heard, as of maybe a month ago, was that Porsche were not willing to extend the warranty, but they were willing to offer another year or two of "Porsche Assist", which of course is almost worthless.
Oh crap. I was speaking to a close friend of mine last night, and he really seems to think they will offer a warranty. I'll know from the OPC tomnext for sure, but I am not overly optimistic. I think you are right, and I can recall reading somewhere on the Porsche website the same. That will be a deal breaker. I have heard numbers bandied around such as 100K GBP for a new engine. That would hurt so bad!! I'd have to sell her immediately after repairing for 1) getting some money back 2) not being able to risk it happening twice!
flemke said:
You will be aware that all American buyers of the same car received a 4 year warranty (and a purchase price that was fixed in US$ at the time of order, which meant that they ended up paying about 15% less for their cars than Brits and Continentals did.
It may be true that trade bids are less than £200K. That is different from a vendor's offer for you to buy for less than £200K. There has been a conspicuous lack of cars advertised for sale in the last 3-4 months (at least relative to last year). Now that the production run is finished, one would expect to find a lot less price pressure than there had been.
I understand what you are saying, I'm just trying to be greedy (and minimise the hit come resale). Fundamentally, when I sell a car, it is always a fire sale. It's because I want to get out and I don't like the idea of it being on SOR, I'd rather use it, and if I'm using it, I don't want to sell it. As it stands, I think a 40K GBP hit p.a. on a CGT is good value for money, on other cars I'm considering I don't think it is. I'm trying to optimise for value
ha ha. In all seriously I'm not trying to buy at trade bid, I'm trying to establish where it's at, to assay what I am getting myself into. I personally think prices will stabilise, it's too good value for money, but then again the market is always right. I want to avoid paying overs, rather than get a crazy bargain. If trade bid is say 190k, then 220 is a good price point for me, however, if 170k is the bid (which is what I understand to be the case, especially as they are not selling all that well) then my max would be the 200K.
flemke said:
Services are dear for a Porsche, about the same for a standard Ferrari.
Clutches are expensive. IIRC, a new one will set you back £5 grand. They're like the PCCB brakes: used properly they will last a long time; used incompetently they are fragile.
You need the valve clearances checked at 12,000 miles. The check can be done with engine in, although adjustment requires engine out.
Tyres are not hard to get; other cars (Zonda, K'egg) have adopted the very same boots and we can expected more carmakers to follow. Again, they're dear relative to more common tyres, but not off the charts. Unless there is a production problem at Michelin, I would expect availability within a day or two, and for PCGB normally to carry them in stock.
Removing or replacing the two roof elements is a doddle. Each weighs something like 2kg, and fits into place with little effort. To remove the pair and stow under the front lid takes one person maybe 2-3 minutes. Reinstalling is even quicker.
A word of caution - over about 120/130mph there is so much wind noise that you don't enjoy driving roofless. With the roof on, the interior is as quiet as in any other car.
I think something like 60% were silver, but that leaves enough in more creative colour choices.
Yellow would be a mistake, unless you're the purple Diablo type.
Btw, it is a fabulous car to drive. If you or your friend can swing it, go for it.
Thank you very much. That's all great, great news, and just what I needed to know. I'm no stranger to Ferrari servicing, so if it were to cost that for this car, it is a bargain. The clutch is reasonable too, I heard 7.5K, which sounded expensive, but I was told it would last if it were treated right, I am confident I will be ok with it. My 355 clutch was only 50% worn after 14k miles of me driving it, and I was the 3rd owner of the car. I also did some GP starts in it (coz it was soooo slow off the lights, I just couldn't let the Micra take that all important gap). The other cars I'm looking at buying have similar clutch costs, so again, relatively, this is a bargain!
How common is the valve clearance adjustment? Is it an expensive job (engine out usually = $$$)?
Yellow is better than the silver though! First choice is black. I like black cars in general and the CGT does look sexy wearing it too.
flemke said:
Seems strange that they wont warranty them, do they expect some large figure claims?
I'd also heard that for UK Road running you need a suspension lift to make even the most modest of cambers / humps passable..
from memory you keep yours on the continent as its better suited to their roads.
J
The front "ramp angle" of the CGT is no worse than it is on a 996 GT2. On all these low cars, speed bumps, road tables and other socialist filth are a nightmare, but with care you can almost always work around them. If that means that you hold up traffic for five minutes in order to traverse them safely, too bad. If the locals don't like it, let them instruct their councillors to clean up the rubbish in the road.
I wouldn't spend much time driving the CGT in the UK not because of the the speed bumps but because of the "normal" road surfaces. Every time that I drive back-to-back on Continental and UK roads, the staggering gap in road quality is immediately and unavoidably plain to see and feel. The CGT has marvelous standard damping, but it's too stiff to be bounced around.
Hmmm. Salmon Jumper was saying the same thing re ride height, thought it would be ok but if it were a problem he said its not adjustable. Cost was high for lifting suspension iirc.
I also agree on the roads, as does every friend I know. I drove Paris to Calais in the rain at over 130 mph consistently in an SL, got to the UK, and couldn't safely do above 70. Road drainage was shit, aqua planing all over the plane, pot holes etc. An absolute joke but it ain't funny.
flemke said:
I have no doubt that Labour, at least, are committed to maintaining the poor road quality. It enables them to piss away tax money on other pet projects, and it forces drivers to proceed more slowly.
Just because the UK is theoretically a democracy doesn't mean that the citizens can expect to have their priorities addressed. No, that will be decided by the more intelligent class that understands what's best for everyone.
Please don't get me started on this brand of socialism. I HATE this lot. Un fecking believable what they get away with. The clever redistribution of wealth to try to ensure that very few can have that little bit extra for themselves. It's the only reasoning I can see behind all these new regulations people have to adhere to.
Thank you Flemke, your replies are much appreciated. I was wondering whether anyone would reply seriously to this thread after this lot hijacked it
I have a sinking feeling this is going to be a non starter, if the warranty cannot be extended. Salmon Jumper reckons OPC Reading would put a warranty on it (another friend apparently tried to buy one from them and they said they it would come with warranty). I'll wait till Monday, but it will hurt if they say "NO!" as I've been imagining one in my garage all day yesterday. I could listen to it all day long!
One last point, would you know if it were possible to export the car to the USA? Would it need major modifications?
JamieBeeston said:
ps. Will try to be there tomorrow, what about you Jamie..[cough]George[cough]?
I'm driving over and staying local.
and watch it boyBand
J
Lol, boyband yourself, and you're younger than me. Dan also had a look for that number you wanted but he couldn't find it. I hope you are still actively recruiting for the modelling company?
Hopefully see you at rich's,
George 
Get one Ali.
It's probably the nicest car I've ever been in. Truly built like a jewel; it made the Enzo I drove feel like it was "glued" together.
One my friends was seriously considering getting one. He went down to see Pauline Loder at Porsche Reading/GB - they said they would "find" him one (possibly on the continent and bring it over, "arrange" a warranty, and put a new clutch in!! He was also after a black one. Porsche GB would do the donkey work via Reading to get the car over but they wanted £25,000 to start the process and begin looking. I'm guessing their "finders" fee amounted to this £25,000. Don't hold me to this but I think this was something like their pitch.
IMO very worthless opinion, I think modern day cars don't get better than the CGT. The one we checked out (silver), looked, sounded and felt more like a racecar than anything I've ever come across. I got to "rev" it while stationary and the throttle response was shocking - the sound was just spectacular (and you KNOW what I do for a living).
While we were there having a look, a new Yellow CGT had just come from the factory and was being prepped for delivery. I personally think it looked fabulous. I'm guessing but can't be sure, it was due to go to the same Evo chap but for quite comedy reasons I won't go into, delivery got messed up.....Regardless he then bought the silver car and got it resprayed and although £16k is a lot to change the colour of the car he couldn't care less. We're about to deliver his 3rd Tubi - an Inconel race system for his new Enzo.
You're line of logic re financials make total sense. The outright cost (for someone of your Uncle Scrooge in Duck Tales type wealth - think swimming pools filled with cash) is largely irrelevant. On the basis of losing £40,000 in a year, I'd rather lose it on the worlds best car than a Gallardo, Murcielago LP640, or a Ferrari 599. Moreover, once you come to terms with driving it, I don't think the C GT is a one-year-car. It's a keeper.
You'll have noticed I've NOT dragged down the tone of this thread with other stupidity (Lawford, Beeston et al.. )
It's probably the nicest car I've ever been in. Truly built like a jewel; it made the Enzo I drove feel like it was "glued" together.
One my friends was seriously considering getting one. He went down to see Pauline Loder at Porsche Reading/GB - they said they would "find" him one (possibly on the continent and bring it over, "arrange" a warranty, and put a new clutch in!! He was also after a black one. Porsche GB would do the donkey work via Reading to get the car over but they wanted £25,000 to start the process and begin looking. I'm guessing their "finders" fee amounted to this £25,000. Don't hold me to this but I think this was something like their pitch.
IMO very worthless opinion, I think modern day cars don't get better than the CGT. The one we checked out (silver), looked, sounded and felt more like a racecar than anything I've ever come across. I got to "rev" it while stationary and the throttle response was shocking - the sound was just spectacular (and you KNOW what I do for a living).
While we were there having a look, a new Yellow CGT had just come from the factory and was being prepped for delivery. I personally think it looked fabulous. I'm guessing but can't be sure, it was due to go to the same Evo chap but for quite comedy reasons I won't go into, delivery got messed up.....Regardless he then bought the silver car and got it resprayed and although £16k is a lot to change the colour of the car he couldn't care less. We're about to deliver his 3rd Tubi - an Inconel race system for his new Enzo.
You're line of logic re financials make total sense. The outright cost (for someone of your Uncle Scrooge in Duck Tales type wealth - think swimming pools filled with cash
) is largely irrelevant. On the basis of losing £40,000 in a year, I'd rather lose it on the worlds best car than a Gallardo, Murcielago LP640, or a Ferrari 599. Moreover, once you come to terms with driving it, I don't think the C GT is a one-year-car. It's a keeper. You'll have noticed I've NOT dragged down the tone of this thread with other stupidity (Lawford, Beeston et al..
) manu said:
Get one Ali.
It's probably the nicest car I've ever been in. Truly built like a jewel; it made the Enzo I drove feel like it was "glued" together.
Salmon, you know how I feel about it. I think it's in a league up there with a Zonda, although I know you're not a big big fan of the Zonda, I love it, and think it looks great. But you know more about it all than I do, so I take your word for it. All the times I've seen the CGT up close, its not been as special as the Zonda in looks, but it did look SOLID and sounded
. manu said:
One my friends was seriously considering getting one. He went down to see Pauline Loder at Porsche Reading/GB - they said they would "find" him one (possibly on the continent and bring it over, "arrange" a warranty, and put a new clutch in!! He was also after a black one. Porsche GB would do the donkey work via Reading to get the car over but they wanted £25,000 to start the process and begin looking. I'm guessing their "finders" fee amounted to this £25,000. Don't hold me to this but I think this was something like their pitch.
Like I said, I'm ready to do this, so long as I'm refunded the 25K if they don't find one! lol. Will speak to them about this, but what about renewing the warranty after? I couldn't keep one with that kind of risk on the cards. I'd have to start pimping, with a Salmon Jumper to improve returns.
manu said:
You're line of logic re financials make total sense. The outright cost (for someone of your Uncle Scrooge in Duck Tales type wealth - think swimming pools filled with cash
That's the logic I was applying to it too, which is why a CGT, if the lose is similar or close, is the FAR better value car, to the point of being a no brainer. I'd also like to actually receive all the horses I pay for...[cough]ahem, ferrari[cough]. What was that discussion we had about 430's on the dyno?
manu said:
You'll have noticed I've NOT dragged down the tone of this thread with other stupidity (Lawford, Beeston et al..
I know, bless you Salmon. I did though
ps. text me that birds name again.
POORCARDEALER said:Isn't the idea that the factory warranty expires two years after initial delivery, whilst an OPC, or anyone else, is free to offer their own warranty in addition and may do so in order to facilitate a sale?
Strange thing about the warranty..........are we saying if you buy one from Porsche or Porsche find you one there is not warranty whatsoever???? Not sure how that would stand up legally, statutory rights etc.........
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