0 - 60 & 0 - 100 Honda S1 Conversion
Discussion
yeah, for a Elise its quick...there are also some doing 0 to 100 in around 8.6sec orso...
What I personaly would like some day is a car doing at least 0 to 60 in around 3.7sec
And 0 to 100 in around 7.3sec thats fast anough for a while
And if that would be some sh*tfast Elise/Exige I would be a happy man
(speaking about cars and owning)
Anyone know what's needed for a Elise/Exige to get that kind of acceleratings? geuss around 350hp? and some wide reartires
GTRene
What I personaly would like some day is a car doing at least 0 to 60 in around 3.7sec
And 0 to 100 in around 7.3sec thats fast anough for a while
And if that would be some sh*tfast Elise/Exige I would be a happy man
(speaking about cars and owning) Anyone know what's needed for a Elise/Exige to get that kind of acceleratings? geuss around 350hp? and some wide reartires
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Monday 5th June 21:23
"What I personaly would like some day is a car doing at least 0 to 60 in around 3.7sec
And 0 to 100 in around 7.3sec thats fast anough for a while "
you can have that now - you just need an early s1/s2 with around 300-330bhp ....Audi/Honda 300's run 3.7 and 8 to 60 ...another 10% of power should sort it...although to be honest, the limitation is really with traction
And 0 to 100 in around 7.3sec thats fast anough for a while "
you can have that now - you just need an early s1/s2 with around 300-330bhp ....Audi/Honda 300's run 3.7 and 8 to 60 ...another 10% of power should sort it...although to be honest, the limitation is really with traction
yep, traction is an isue so special tires and set of for traction...
The forcesfed 380hp can do it also they predickt but way to expensive at 46K US$
Also I read somewhere a guy with a Honda Type-R and 410hp that would do the trick to in the honda-conversion Elise/Exige that would be a awesome car! when all that power can hit the street in not to much wheelspin it could do under 3 sec to 60 and maybe high 6 sec to 100...drive me crazy I would like a drive in such bullit but what will it cost apart from the Elise/Exige...
parts; Honda R conversion
SC/Turbo? for 410hp
Strong clutch
Special ecu?
Special joints busses?
stronger engine parts?
good shocks
Good brakes
Special wheels and tires
So what will a complete good set cost when you want a "safe" and a bit "reliable" car/engine/set up...(apart from the Elise/Exige)
thanks
GTRene
so special tires and set of for traction... The forcesfed 380hp can do it also they predickt but way to expensive at 46K US$
Also I read somewhere a guy with a Honda Type-R and 410hp
that would do the trick to in the honda-conversion Elise/Exige that would be a awesome car! when all that power can hit the street in not to much wheelspin it could do under 3 sec to 60 and maybe high 6 sec to 100...drive me crazy I would like a drive in such bullit but what will it cost apart from the Elise/Exige... parts; Honda R conversion
SC/Turbo? for 410hp
Strong clutch
Special ecu?
Special joints busses?
stronger engine parts?
good shocks
Good brakes
Special wheels and tires
So what will a complete good set cost when you want a "safe" and a bit "reliable" car/engine/set up...(apart from the Elise/Exige)
thanks
GTRene
Here some info about the 400+hp Honda SC kits...
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How much hp/torque will it make?
Before the IC were added, the B16A was making over 400 hp, the B18C5 (Type-R) just under 400 hp. These engines have more than 200 ft-lbs below 2,000 rpm and the peak torque number is conservatively rated at 350+ ft-lbs.
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www.theoldone.com/sc/zc-prototypes.html
www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html#8
GTRene
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How much hp/torque will it make?
Before the IC were added, the B16A was making over 400 hp, the B18C5 (Type-R) just under 400 hp. These engines have more than 200 ft-lbs below 2,000 rpm and the peak torque number is conservatively rated at 350+ ft-lbs.
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www.theoldone.com/sc/zc-prototypes.html
www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html#8
GTRene
Jus a quick question.....A elise with NA honda conversion (200hp) will do 4's 0-60 and 9's 0-100.....A elise with charged honda conversion (300hp) will do 3's 0-60 and 8's 0-100.....Right??
Are we sure this is right it means although the chargered car is quicker they still have similar 60-100 times of 5ish seconds??
Are we sure this is right it means although the chargered car is quicker they still have similar 60-100 times of 5ish seconds??
The numbers are the numbers, they give an indication of how quick the cars are but of course don't take into account different drivers, how willing one is to lunch the clutch everytime it's driven etc.
What is in no doubt, is that the Honda converted cars are, and feel significantly quick when stepping up from the K.
What is in no doubt, is that the Honda converted cars are, and feel significantly quick when stepping up from the K.
They also say this...
Q: What is included in the SC kit?
roots type blower (our own design with super light weight carbon/thermoplastic rotor, high clearance specs)
(rest you find here)
www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html
And when you look at the picture you also see the new? blower is a bit smaller
thats the one on top M45(they use for cars from 1.0L to 2.0L)(the bigger older? type is the M62 wich they use from 2.0 and light trucks?) and with a special super light weight carbon/thermoplastic rotor...sounds interesting! maybe also a bit less whining sounds?
here are some more SC models and prices(no kits)
www.capa.com.au/eaton.htm
Q: What is included in the SC kit?
roots type blower (our own design with super light weight carbon/thermoplastic rotor, high clearance specs)
(rest you find here)
www.theoldone.com/sc/faq.html
And when you look at the picture you also see the new? blower is a bit smaller
thats the one on top M45(they use for cars from 1.0L to 2.0L)(the bigger older? type is the M62 wich they use from 2.0 and light trucks?) and with a special super light weight carbon/thermoplastic rotor...sounds interesting! maybe also a bit less whining sounds? here are some more SC models and prices(no kits)
www.capa.com.au/eaton.htm
Edited by GTRene on Tuesday 6th June 11:47
NDT said:
so given the choice for a daily driver (but only for a 3 miles commute to the station and the odd weekend blat), with 20k to spend, which would you buy: S1 Honda, S2 111S or S2 111R (if you can get one that cheap)?
IMHO I would go for the S2 111S. I have just changed jobs and now have a 17 mile each way commute. My S2 111S is great for the job. There is a little motorway drive, followed by a nice twisty country lane. Haven't got round to track days - yet, so thoughts might change. But for daily driver with the odd 20 mile round trip for milk...
The S2 is great. Agreed the S and the R are both good cars and you'll love them all, but for low use and outright pace, the Honda is the quickest.
The S and the R have very different characteristics in terms of power delivery - the R is heavier but better equipped, and has the Toyota engine with screaming top end power. The S has the VVC K series which has a more consistent spread of torque but is also very revvy.
In terms of reliability and longevity the Jap engines are better than the K, but the K is lighter and some prefer the feel of the S to the R.
Drive both before you make a choice to buy for sure.
The S and the R have very different characteristics in terms of power delivery - the R is heavier but better equipped, and has the Toyota engine with screaming top end power. The S has the VVC K series which has a more consistent spread of torque but is also very revvy.
In terms of reliability and longevity the Jap engines are better than the K, but the K is lighter and some prefer the feel of the S to the R.
Drive both before you make a choice to buy for sure.
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