Keeping fit/martial arts contd.........
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Thought I'd start up a new thread that one was getting a bit big.
In response to that, I'd say the old tales about rubbing bamboo poles/snooker cues etc up and down your legs are a bit of an urban myth.
Apparantly the Thai fighters condition their shins by kick bannana trees!! That could be a load of bollox as well though.
My instructor says kicking the bag/pads in your normal training will be enough to condition your shins for a fight. I've been told by a few lads that when you get in the ring adrenaline takes over anyway and you don't really feel anything, its after you've calmed down that the pain arrives.
Good luck in your Karate comp m8, how do they work anyway, is it full contact? Do you fight till one of you is on the ground or is it one hit and back to the start??
Remember the old saying 'Train Hard Fight Easy' its simple but very very true.
>>> Edited by dave_s13 on Wednesday 29th January 16:03
TheLemming said:
samn01 said: Fair play, the last thing anyone wants is problems later on in life.
My main concern is my knees, kicking all the time cant be good for them, and some of the stances we have to stand in kill.
No real solution to that one Im afraid. (Unless someone out there has discovered one!)
Thats one of the risks you just gotta accept. Knees and joints will take one hell of a hammering.
Try half an hour of seiza and see if you can walk afterwards
In response to that, I'd say the old tales about rubbing bamboo poles/snooker cues etc up and down your legs are a bit of an urban myth.
Apparantly the Thai fighters condition their shins by kick bannana trees!! That could be a load of bollox as well though.
My instructor says kicking the bag/pads in your normal training will be enough to condition your shins for a fight. I've been told by a few lads that when you get in the ring adrenaline takes over anyway and you don't really feel anything, its after you've calmed down that the pain arrives.
Good luck in your Karate comp m8, how do they work anyway, is it full contact? Do you fight till one of you is on the ground or is it one hit and back to the start??
Remember the old saying 'Train Hard Fight Easy' its simple but very very true.
>>> Edited by dave_s13 on Wednesday 29th January 16:03
Just because something is an urban myth doesnt make it untrue... Some of these things are self fulfilling. Once someone hears it and tries it out, eh voila.
Im sure there are nutcases out there who will kick the hell out of banana trees and call it training, I jut hope they have someone lined up to push the wheelchair for them in a few years.
There are plenty of cases of people being stabbed and shot and not noticing until afterwards due to a combination of shock and adrenaline. The body has its own ways of dealing with trauma.
Im sure there are nutcases out there who will kick the hell out of banana trees and call it training, I jut hope they have someone lined up to push the wheelchair for them in a few years.
There are plenty of cases of people being stabbed and shot and not noticing until afterwards due to a combination of shock and adrenaline. The body has its own ways of dealing with trauma.
In response to that, I'd say the old tales about rubbing bamboo poles/snooker cues etc up and down your legs are a bit of an urban myth.
Apparantly the Thai fighters condition their shins by kick bannana trees!! That could be a load of bollox as well though.
My instructor says kicking the bag/pads in your normal training will be enough to condition your shins for a fight. I've been told by a few lads that when you get in the ring adrenaline takes over anyway and you don't really feel anything, its after you've calmed down that the pain arrives.
Good luck in your Karate comp m8, how do they work anyway, is it full contact? Do you fight till one of you is on the ground or is it one hit and back to the start??
Remember the old saying 'Train Hard Fight Easy' its simple but very very true.
No, I can tell you that my friend defiantly did this and to prove it works allowed me to hit him around the legs with the fat bit of the snooker cue. I guess they do not have enough Banana trees in east London.
The comp in the summer will be points fight so it is full contact to the body and only controlled contact to the face/head etc. And yes it is one point scored restart. I hope to fight in a couple of full contact kickboxing bouts depending on how the first points fight goes (I.E how many broken ribs I get and how much pain I am in afterwards) ;-)
>> Edited by samn01 on Wednesday 29th January 16:01
I didn't do it for the laydeez either, its purely down to me wanting to be able to handle myself properly. And its very addictive once you get going.
If you want to learn how to render someone unconcious in a couple of seconds flat then get yourself to a Thai boxing gym, its great fun.
If you want to learn how to render someone unconcious in a couple of seconds flat then get yourself to a Thai boxing gym, its great fun.
Only 5 months but I've picked it up really quickly.
I've been doing the advanced fighter classes once a week for a few weeks now, they're invitation only sessions so I must be doing something right
I'm 26 BTW, I wish I'd started 10 years ago but it never really crossed my mind at that age.
It is a definate confidence booster, but it also teaches you to never underestimate anyone.
There's some 5'6" 55kg 17 year olds in our gym that you wouldn't think twice about pushing out of the way on the dance floor in a club or something. This happened last week and the guy doing the pushing (over 6 foot and not at all skinny) got knocked out with one punch, that'll teach him.
I've never had to use it in real life though, being 6'4" and 15.5 stone means I don't really attract trouble, and I never go looking for it (I'm not that kind of guy).
IMO Muay thai is one of the best real world fighting arts, the training gets you used to being punched and kicked and you kind of get hardened to it.
If you combine it with some sort of ground fighting art like Ju-Jitsu/Brazillian Ju-Jitsu this makes you one hard bastard and no mistake.
I've been doing the advanced fighter classes once a week for a few weeks now, they're invitation only sessions so I must be doing something right
I'm 26 BTW, I wish I'd started 10 years ago but it never really crossed my mind at that age.
It is a definate confidence booster, but it also teaches you to never underestimate anyone.
There's some 5'6" 55kg 17 year olds in our gym that you wouldn't think twice about pushing out of the way on the dance floor in a club or something. This happened last week and the guy doing the pushing (over 6 foot and not at all skinny) got knocked out with one punch, that'll teach him
. I've never had to use it in real life though, being 6'4" and 15.5 stone means I don't really attract trouble, and I never go looking for it (I'm not that kind of guy).
IMO Muay thai is one of the best real world fighting arts, the training gets you used to being punched and kicked and you kind of get hardened to it.
If you combine it with some sort of ground fighting art like Ju-Jitsu/Brazillian Ju-Jitsu this makes you one hard bastard and no mistake.
All you boys into kick/Thai boxing! Bloody hell! You could start a little PH gang. Protection rackets, anyone?
I can highly recommend Ninjutsu (many schools but the most popular in UK would be Togakure). Similar(unarmed) to Aikido, it is a very direct combat method, and is very flexible.
If you can't find a Ninjutsu dojo, have a look at Aikido or Jujitsu. Very affective, and you don't need to be mega fit either! (although its better to be, for both combat and life in general).
Oh, be careful of the shins, not a nice thing to do. A mate of mine used to train his shins, and was constantly bruised, scabbing, scarred etc. The way I look at it, no need to harden your shins if no one is going to get to hit them....or if you never need to use them I guess, too. Some degree of conditioning is useful, but it must be done only to the extent that it is not causing damage. It takes a long while to condition your body in such a way, and it needs patience, and certain sympathy to your body.
I've stopped training for many years now, although I went back around 2 years ago only to realise how unfit I was, and vowed to go back only after regaining a respectable level of fitness.
I can highly recommend Ninjutsu (many schools but the most popular in UK would be Togakure). Similar(unarmed) to Aikido, it is a very direct combat method, and is very flexible.
If you can't find a Ninjutsu dojo, have a look at Aikido or Jujitsu. Very affective, and you don't need to be mega fit either! (although its better to be, for both combat and life in general).
Oh, be careful of the shins, not a nice thing to do. A mate of mine used to train his shins, and was constantly bruised, scabbing, scarred etc. The way I look at it, no need to harden your shins if no one is going to get to hit them....or if you never need to use them I guess, too. Some degree of conditioning is useful, but it must be done only to the extent that it is not causing damage. It takes a long while to condition your body in such a way, and it needs patience, and certain sympathy to your body.
I've stopped training for many years now, although I went back around 2 years ago only to realise how unfit I was, and vowed to go back only after regaining a respectable level of fitness.
dave_s13 said: Only 5 months but I've picked it up really quickly.
I've been doing the advanced fighter classes once a week for a few weeks now, they're invitation only sessions so I must be doing something right
I'm 26 BTW, I wish I'd started 10 years ago but it never really crossed my mind at that age.
It is a definate confidence booster, but it also teaches you to never underestimate anyone.
There's some 5'6" 55kg 17 year olds in our gym that you wouldn't think twice about pushing out of the way on the dance floor in a club or something. This happened last week and the guy doing the pushing (over 6 foot and not at all skinny) got knocked out with one punch, that'll teach him
I've never had to use it in real life though, being 6'4" and 15.5 stone means I don't really attract trouble, and I never go looking for it (I'm not that kind of guy).
IMO Muay thai is one of the best real world fighting arts, the training gets you used to being punched and kicked and you kind of get hardened to it.
If you combine it with some sort of ground fighting art like Ju-Jitsu/Brazillian Ju-Jitsu this makes you one hard bastard and no mistake.
I am 25 and have been doing it a year, I also wished I had started 10 years back.
I agree on the Muay Thai front, but although BBJ etc rules MMA/UFC/Pride/K1 etc, I am not convinced of its real world application.
I know what they say, "get a kickboxer/karate/Boxer on the floor and they can’t do sh1t" but I disagree. Lots of fight might go to the floor but no many stay there.
In the real world you can't climb on and go for an arm bar.
Glad to hear you found it useful. 6'4" and a Thai boxer! I would not want to trouble you
Keep it up! and make sure you let us know who you fight goes. (can you get it on digital vid ? maybe you good get someone on here to host it for you so we could view ?)
samn01 said:
ninja_eli said: have a look at Aikido or Jujitsu.
I have always fancied having ago at some Aikido, as it must be very cool to be able to defend yourself without having to hit some.
Plus I imagine if done well would make an attacker look very silly indeed.
As everyone else has echoed, once you find something that suits you its hellish addictive.
The thought that there are no strikes in Aikido is wrong im afraid, although they are mainly used to put someone off balance or distract them while you go for a lock or a throw.
Edited to Add:
Sam there are plenty of Dojos around in london so if there is something you fancy trying then give it a go at least once.
Depending on whereabouts in London you are, the Aikido, Judo and Karate Tuition at the Budokwai in London is apparently of a very high standard.
>> Edited by TheLemming on Wednesday 29th January 17:14
samn01 said:
ninja_eli said: have a look at Aikido or Jujitsu.
I have always fancied having ago at some Aikido, as it must be very cool to be able to defend yourself without having to hit some.
Plus I imagine if done well would make an attacker look very silly indeed.
Have a go then m8, the hardest part of starting anything new is the actual starting bit. You always think it'll be worse than it really is. Go on do it man, its better to be a has-been than a never was.
And if you go and don't like it then try something else, you'll only get good if you really enjoy what youre doing.
And good idea about the vid thing I'll see what I can do.
>> Edited by dave_s13 on Wednesday 29th January 17:16
Or loom into Wing Chun Kung Fu....I did Karate for 12years first then broke my pelvis and neededd something that was heavily hand orientated so took that up when I was 15 and never looked back. Martial arts styles are however like clothes , different styles suit different people....I liked Wing Chun as it was direct powerful over a very short distance and in amny ways similar to Aikido, uses the attackers force and momentum against himself....it also gets you very fit and teaches you economy of motion....prob the most important tenet alongside the centre line theory...but hey I digress...
TheLemming said:
samn01 said:
ninja_eli said: have a look at Aikido or Jujitsu.
I have always fancied having ago at some Aikido, as it must be very cool to be able to defend yourself without having to hit some.
Plus I imagine if done well would make an attacker look very silly indeed.
As everyone else has echoed, once you find something that suits you its hellish addictive.
The thought that there are no strikes in Aikido is wrong im afraid, although they are mainly used to put someone off balance or distract them while you go for a lock or a throw.
Ah OK.
I guess Karate (which has some throws, Generally only to floor your opponent so you can score with a punch) is a real opposite to Aikido in terms of style.
What really got me interested in Aikido is that someone I know who studies Aikido says his instructor (who happens to be a black belt in Karate as well and teaches Karate and Aikido) insists that a black belt in Aikido should be able to handle a few Karate black belts.
I understand what he means and coming from someone who is a black belt in both arts he has a valid point (even though I believe you fight the man not the style)
Good what a long-winded way to say I am interested in Aikido.
Apparently it is a hard art to get good at though and takes time before it can be used with the desired effect, is that right?
basher said: Or loom into Wing Chun Kung Fu....I did Karate for 12years first then broke my pelvis and neededd something that was heavily hand orientated so took that up when I was 15 and never looked back. Martial arts styles are however like clothes , different styles suit different people....I liked Wing Chun as it was direct powerful over a very short distance and in amny ways similar to Aikido, uses the attackers force and momentum against himself....it also gets you very fit and teaches you economy of motion....prob the most important tenet alongside the centre line theory...but hey I digress...
I am going to watch a Hung Gar Kung fu lesson in a week or two as a friend of mine (who is into Taekwondo at the mo) wants to go.
The real reason is the Lineage holder for Hung Gar is local to me and everyone seems to be a Wing Chung expert these days.
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