Gritter overturns, not speeding:Solution-speed camera(kent)
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From the local rag:
Safety measures to be installed on notorious stretch of road.
Kent highway services is looking to install safety measures on a stretch of the A227 near Culverstone Green, [Meopham, Kent], which is notorious for accidents. A mobile safety camera and flashing speed sign is planned for the area where a gritter lorry overturned and ploughed into a residential garden in February this year.
But doubts remain over the effectiveness of the planned measures, because analysis of the gritter lorry’s tachometer revealed it was not speeding at the time. Kent Highway Services investigated the road after the lorry crashed and the Gravesend Messenger launched its Safer Streets campaign. A KCC spokesman said: “The lorry crash has been looked into and the findings will be shared with the residents shortly”. Residents claim there have been at least 20 similar accidents in the past six months.
Of course - speed cameras are the answer to everything.
Safety measures to be installed on notorious stretch of road.
Kent highway services is looking to install safety measures on a stretch of the A227 near Culverstone Green, [Meopham, Kent], which is notorious for accidents. A mobile safety camera and flashing speed sign is planned for the area where a gritter lorry overturned and ploughed into a residential garden in February this year.
But doubts remain over the effectiveness of the planned measures, because analysis of the gritter lorry’s tachometer revealed it was not speeding at the time. Kent Highway Services investigated the road after the lorry crashed and the Gravesend Messenger launched its Safer Streets campaign. A KCC spokesman said: “The lorry crash has been looked into and the findings will be shared with the residents shortly”. Residents claim there have been at least 20 similar accidents in the past six months.
Of course - speed cameras are the answer to everything.
From the Gravesend Joint Transportation board agenda (Public doc) to be discussed tonight.
1. Introduction.
1.1 At approximately 20:30 on 8th February 2006, a salting vehicle travelling along
the A227 through Culverstone lost control and left the carriageway, driving
through a hedge, colliding with a parked van and overturned.
1.2 Resident and members have also raised concerns regarding the speed of
vehicles on the A227 Wrotham Road, travelling through the village.
2. Discussion.
2.1 As a result of the incident with the salting vehicle a skid resistance test was
carried out on the carriageway. The results of this test showed that the skid
resistance of the road surface was to an acceptable standard and therefore no
treatment was necessary.
2.2 An incident investigation was also carried out by Ringways, the owners and
operators of the salting vehicle. This involved an examination of the
tachograph which showed that the driver of the vehicle was travelling at
approximately 29mph when he lost control. The investigation also found that
there was no fault or failure with the vehicle and that it had been maintained as
per Ring way’s policy.
2.3 However residents, local councillors and members have raised concerns about
the speed of vehicles travelling along the A227 Wrotham Road through
Culverstone Green, and as a result a number of measures are to be
introduced to encourage drivers to reduce their speed. These measures
include the installation of an interactive speed sign and a mobile safety
camera.
2.4 An interactive speed sign is to be installed on the A227 Wrotham Road on the
southern approach to Culverstone Green. Strict criteria are in place to ensure
that these signs are not used at inappropriate locations, and due to the way in
which these signs operate there are also a limited number of locations where
such a sign can be installed. However a suitable location for a sign has been
found on the southern approach to Culverstone Green and funding has been
allocated for this sign, which will be installed during this financial year (1st April
2006 to 31st March 2007), following consultation.
2.5 The Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership has allocated some funding
for the operation of a mobile safety camera on the northern approach to
Culverstone Green, and the camera should also start operating during this
financial year once hard-standing has been placed on the verge to allow the
mobile safety camera van to operate.
2.6 The provision of 30mph roundels on the carriageway through Culverstone
Green has also been considered, but funding is not available within this
current financial year to install such signage. However the measures which are
to be introduced during this financial year (the interactive sign and mobile
safety camera) shall be monitored to assess the affect that they have on the
speed of vehicles using the A227 through Culverstone Green.
2.7 If following this assessment it is felt that further measures need to be
introduced to discourage speeding, then a bid will be put forward for Local
Transport Plan funding, to introduce such measures in a future financial year.
1. Introduction.
1.1 At approximately 20:30 on 8th February 2006, a salting vehicle travelling along
the A227 through Culverstone lost control and left the carriageway, driving
through a hedge, colliding with a parked van and overturned.
1.2 Resident and members have also raised concerns regarding the speed of
vehicles on the A227 Wrotham Road, travelling through the village.
2. Discussion.
2.1 As a result of the incident with the salting vehicle a skid resistance test was
carried out on the carriageway. The results of this test showed that the skid
resistance of the road surface was to an acceptable standard and therefore no
treatment was necessary.
2.2 An incident investigation was also carried out by Ringways, the owners and
operators of the salting vehicle. This involved an examination of the
tachograph which showed that the driver of the vehicle was travelling at
approximately 29mph when he lost control. The investigation also found that
there was no fault or failure with the vehicle and that it had been maintained as
per Ring way’s policy.
2.3 However residents, local councillors and members have raised concerns about
the speed of vehicles travelling along the A227 Wrotham Road through
Culverstone Green, and as a result a number of measures are to be
introduced to encourage drivers to reduce their speed. These measures
include the installation of an interactive speed sign and a mobile safety
camera.
2.4 An interactive speed sign is to be installed on the A227 Wrotham Road on the
southern approach to Culverstone Green. Strict criteria are in place to ensure
that these signs are not used at inappropriate locations, and due to the way in
which these signs operate there are also a limited number of locations where
such a sign can be installed. However a suitable location for a sign has been
found on the southern approach to Culverstone Green and funding has been
allocated for this sign, which will be installed during this financial year (1st April
2006 to 31st March 2007), following consultation.
2.5 The Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership has allocated some funding
for the operation of a mobile safety camera on the northern approach to
Culverstone Green, and the camera should also start operating during this
financial year once hard-standing has been placed on the verge to allow the
mobile safety camera van to operate.
2.6 The provision of 30mph roundels on the carriageway through Culverstone
Green has also been considered, but funding is not available within this
current financial year to install such signage. However the measures which are
to be introduced during this financial year (the interactive sign and mobile
safety camera) shall be monitored to assess the affect that they have on the
speed of vehicles using the A227 through Culverstone Green.
2.7 If following this assessment it is felt that further measures need to be
introduced to discourage speeding, then a bid will be put forward for Local
Transport Plan funding, to introduce such measures in a future financial year.
Discussion said:
2. Discussion.
2.1 As a result of the incident with the salting vehicle a skid resistance test was
carried out on the carriageway. The results of this test showed that the skid
resistance of the road surface was to an acceptable standard and therefore no
treatment was necessary.
So they did a surface test as a gritter skidded.... Could the conditions just ever so possibly have been icy?BliarOut said:
Discussion said:
2. Discussion.
2.1 As a result of the incident with the salting vehicle a skid resistance test was
carried out on the carriageway. The results of this test showed that the skid
resistance of the road surface was to an acceptable standard and therefore no
treatment was necessary.
So they did a surface test as a gritter skidded.... Could the conditions just ever so possibly have been icy?LOL, exactly what I thought - has anyone actually asked why the gritter was in use at the time of the accident?
rodney59 said:
2.7 If following this assessment it is felt that further measures need to be introduced to discourage speeding, then a bid will be put forward for Local Transport Plan funding, to introduce such measures in a future financial year.
Maybe, just maybe, the speed limit is ridiculous/unreasonable, and that is why cars are breaking it?
I often wonder if it would appease the locals who are concerned about speeding cars if a set of bollards were erected, blocking the road. Clearly this would be an inconvenience - but it's all about safety.."Think of the children!"
There is a school in the village, that unfortuately is on the main A227 road. However, this road was once NSL for about 3 miles on one side, a mile on the other and through the village itself. Now the whole section is 40mph, except for where the school is (for about 3/4 mile through the village) where the limit is 30mph.
Given the nature of the road/school 30mph is about right. The 40mph on either side are just stupid, and 50mph would be in keeping with the layout and circular 1/93.
Given the nature of the road/school 30mph is about right. The 40mph on either side are just stupid, and 50mph would be in keeping with the layout and circular 1/93.
rodney59 said:
From the Gravesend Joint Transportation board agenda (Public doc) to be discussed tonight.
1. Introduction.
1.1 At approximately 20:30 on 8th February 2006, a salting vehicle travelling along
the A227 through Culverstone lost control and left the carriageway, driving
through a hedge, colliding with a parked van and overturned.
Of what did the "salting vehicle" lose control? Don't you just hate it when you see reports like that. Another typical one is: "The vehicle went out of control". Why not say, "the driver lost control of the vehicle"? 1. Introduction.
1.1 At approximately 20:30 on 8th February 2006, a salting vehicle travelling along
the A227 through Culverstone lost control and left the carriageway, driving
through a hedge, colliding with a parked van and overturned.
tigger1 said:
rodney59 said:
2.7 If following this assessment it is felt that further measures need to be introduced to discourage speeding, then a bid will be put forward for Local Transport Plan funding, to introduce such measures in a future financial year.
Maybe, just maybe, the speed limit is ridiculous/unreasonable, and that is why cars are breaking it?
I often wonder if it would appease the locals who are concerned about speeding cars if a set of bollards were erected, blocking the road. Clearly this would be an inconvenience - but it's all about safety.."Think of the children!"
Streaky
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