Why did these 8 countries sign up for war??
Why did these 8 countries sign up for war??
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CarZee

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295 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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We know why Britain signed up.. what about the others?

Italy, Spain, Portugal and Denmark, and three countries due to join next year - Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic.

What political motive do they have? Spain and Italy may want our support in maintaining their subsidies in the face of expansion. Poland, Hungary and Czech Republic might be obliged to repay our welcoming their workers upon joining the EU, which several other EU countries refuse to do for 7 years.

Denmark? Haven't the foggiest.. some kind of shared strategy on crowbaring their reticent public into the Euro perhaps?

Portugal.. dunno.. subsidies again I guess.

Suspicious? You betcha!

hertsbiker

6,443 posts

299 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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sorry mate, I support the idea of going to war. Well, just me then...

Take it easy dude! let's have a beer soon guys..


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clanger

1,087 posts

286 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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They all signed up to support good over evil - what type of cynic could think differently .. If France and Germany are opposed - it must be the correct decision..

SpeedEight

893 posts

303 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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Ummm? Why does there have to be an alterior motive?

Isn't the fact that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction good enough?

Why would any country want a rogue state with these kind of weapons to be allowed to just get on with it?

Edited for typo, typical 911 driver

>> Edited by SpeedEight on Friday 31st January 00:17

lx993

12,214 posts

285 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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hey you've got to watch out for these 'rouge states'

sorry, i'll get my coat.....

manek

2,978 posts

312 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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What's a rogue state? Why aren't the US or the UK rogue states? Or Israel? Or India and Pakistan?

Most importantly, who decides what's a rogue state and what isn't? And what gives any state the right to go marching into the territory of another, pretty much willy-nilly? That's what the international order (UN etc) is supposed to prevent, but Dubya reckons he's goin' in there anyhow.

Nothing to do with oil, no sirree! Does money talk? And I guess avenging his daddy's reputation wouldn't have anythin to do with either.

dubaiguy

356 posts

285 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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Me ? Cynical ? Pah ! ......... but I bet after it's all over the issue of Gibraltar will pop up again. Pay back time Mr Blair.
And Denmark ....... just trying to save their bacon.

SpeedEight

893 posts

303 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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manek said: What's a rogue state? Why aren't the US or the UK rogue states? Or Israel? Or India and Pakistan?

Most importantly, who decides what's a rogue state and what isn't? And what gives any state the right to go marching into the territory of another, pretty much willy-nilly? That's what the international order (UN etc) is supposed to prevent, but Dubya reckons he's goin' in there anyhow.

Nothing to do with oil, no sirree! Does money talk? And I guess avenging his daddy's reputation wouldn't have anythin to do with either.


I'm sorry but I have to disagree, the UK doesn't pose a military threat to other countries around the World for just going about their daily business. That's why we aren't a rogue state, its unfortunate that is the term we give certain countries, maybe there is a more appropriate descrption.

However, a country like Iraq can't be compared with a democracy like the UK because by all accounts the majority of people in Iraq would rather the country wasn't ruled by Hussain, but are too afraid of the consequences to stand up for themselves.

>> Edited by SpeedEight on Friday 31st January 01:38

swilly

9,699 posts

302 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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Who cares why they signed up, all i can see is a new Union of Europe (UE) led by the Brits, following Brit ideals slowly subsuming the old EU.

Eric Mc

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293 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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Newsnight yeasterday evening seemed to indicate that, because these eight countries were backing the US and UK, Germany and France were now "in isolation". How did they work that out then? I can think of at least ten more European countries that have not "signed up".

CarZee

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13,382 posts

295 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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dubaiguy said: Me ? Cynical ? Pah ! ......... but I bet after it's all over the issue of Gibraltar will pop up again. Pay back time Mr Blair.
And Denmark ....... just trying to save their bacon.


think you might just be right

Fatboy

8,267 posts

300 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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However, a country like Iraq can't be compared with a democracy like the UK because by all accounts the majority of people in Iraq would rather the country wasn't ruled by Hussain, but are too afraid of the consequences to stand up for themselves.

The Majority of people in this country didn't vote for Phony Tony either....

>> Edited by Fatboy on Friday 31st January 10:41

mel

10,168 posts

303 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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Looking outside of Europe, Australia and New Zealand have not only voiced support for military action but have gone so far as committing forces to the area.

swilly

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302 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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I think the UK is the only true ally to the US in Europe, as opposed to friendly nation that may describe other states.

As far a Europe is concerned it is currently a Franco-German venture, and that needs to change and we all knwo whilst the french are great cooks and the germans make good cars, they couldn't organaise a piss up ina brewery or make important decisions in time- ditherers the lot.

The events in Bosnia and Kosova are a case in point.

mel

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Friday 31st January 2003
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swilly said: whilst the french are great cooks and the germans make good cars, they couldn't organaise a piss up in a brewery


Hmmmmmmmm Munich beer fetival ?


Just being pedantic, I get your point.

swilly

9,699 posts

302 months

Friday 31st January 2003
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mel said:

Hmmmmmmmm Munich beer festival ?


Just being pedantic, I get your point.


The Munich beer festival isn't held in a brewery is it?

>> Edited by swilly on Friday 31st January 12:47