Sagaris Weight
Discussion
For those of you who might be interested in what a Sagaris actually weighs. (The TVR website says 1078kg.
I took an old damaged wheel to a recycling company this morning and while I was there I had a go on their weighbridge.
The weight of my empty Sagaris (with aircon) with 5 litres of fuel in it and full water and oil was 1185kg.
Obviously I don’t know how accurate their weighbridge was, but I presume there are some regulations that it must be calibrated as they use it for charging customers.
I took an old damaged wheel to a recycling company this morning and while I was there I had a go on their weighbridge.
The weight of my empty Sagaris (with aircon) with 5 litres of fuel in it and full water and oil was 1185kg.
Obviously I don’t know how accurate their weighbridge was, but I presume there are some regulations that it must be calibrated as they use it for charging customers.
TSS said:
For those of you who might be interested in what a Sagaris actually weighs. (The TVR website says 1078kg.
I took an old damaged wheel to a recycling company this morning and while I was there I had a go on their weighbridge.
The weight of my empty Sagaris (with aircon) with 5 litres of fuel in it and full water and oil was 1185kg.
Obviously I don’t know how accurate their weighbridge was, but I presume there are some regulations that it must be calibrated as they use it for charging customers.
I took an old damaged wheel to a recycling company this morning and while I was there I had a go on their weighbridge.
The weight of my empty Sagaris (with aircon) with 5 litres of fuel in it and full water and oil was 1185kg.
Obviously I don’t know how accurate their weighbridge was, but I presume there are some regulations that it must be calibrated as they use it for charging customers.
TVR are a bit
with most of their figures. It's the same story with the power output - was 406bhp to start with now it's down to 380bhp. Glad I got one of the 406bhp versions 
. BTW you weren't in the car at the time were you?
I think that's a great result.
1100 kg is the usual quoted dry weight. I think the 1078 figure came from an estimate for the prototype which had lighter 'vinylester' bodywork.
Dry weight means no fluids in the car, which obviously weigh a lot. With motorbikes they even weigh them without any brake fluid or oil in the suspension, such is the showroom appeal of a low dry weight figure. It is of course nonsense but a wet weight of 1185 is a great result and it maintains the idea that the Sagaris is a disturbingly light amount for 400bhp to push around. Or even 380bhp for that matter.
Fiddling figures is as old as the car itself. My pathetically slow 355 claimed 380bhp. Supposedly the engine made 350bhp and the throttle valve was supposed to liberate another 30... umm I don't think so. One was dynoed recently at under 320bhp which is much nearer what it felt like.
All you need to know about the Sagaris, whatever it's weight or bhp is it's 0-100 time. It did it in 9.1 seconds in Autocar's 0-100-0 challenge and was all but identical to the Noble M400 all the way back to 0 again. Autocar's test results to 100 were even faster. Then there's the time it set round the top gear test track. Just look at the price of the cars that were underneath it! The performance is truly BONKERS!
1100 kg is the usual quoted dry weight. I think the 1078 figure came from an estimate for the prototype which had lighter 'vinylester' bodywork.
Dry weight means no fluids in the car, which obviously weigh a lot. With motorbikes they even weigh them without any brake fluid or oil in the suspension, such is the showroom appeal of a low dry weight figure. It is of course nonsense but a wet weight of 1185 is a great result and it maintains the idea that the Sagaris is a disturbingly light amount for 400bhp to push around. Or even 380bhp for that matter.
Fiddling figures is as old as the car itself. My pathetically slow 355 claimed 380bhp. Supposedly the engine made 350bhp and the throttle valve was supposed to liberate another 30... umm I don't think so. One was dynoed recently at under 320bhp which is much nearer what it felt like.
All you need to know about the Sagaris, whatever it's weight or bhp is it's 0-100 time. It did it in 9.1 seconds in Autocar's 0-100-0 challenge and was all but identical to the Noble M400 all the way back to 0 again. Autocar's test results to 100 were even faster. Then there's the time it set round the top gear test track. Just look at the price of the cars that were underneath it! The performance is truly BONKERS!
If i remember rightly Daftlad told me that the aircon weighs around 70kg, i guess that has to be added on to the TVR figure. If i had known that and how crap they are and what they cost i would have kicked it into touch when specing her.
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
yi8tvr said:
If i remember rightly Daftlad told me that the aircon weighs around 70kg, i guess that has to be added on to the TVR figure. If i had known that and how crap they are and what they cost i would have kicked it into touch when specing her.
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
Hate air con with a passion, even more so since I hardly use the bloody thing, except every now and then just to keep the system in nick. I only specced for come resale time
I am truly ashamed of myself for that. DJC said:
yi8tvr said:
If i remember rightly Daftlad told me that the aircon weighs around 70kg, i guess that has to be added on to the TVR figure. If i had known that and how crap they are and what they cost i would have kicked it into touch when specing her.
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
Hate air con with a passion, even more so since I hardly use the bloody thing, except every now and then just to keep the system in nick. I only specced for come resale time
I am truly ashamed of myself for that. You probably got the same from your dealer as i got " you must have air con or you wont be able to sell it on sir" and " we would not want it back for reasale without aircon sir"
There should be a sticky saying DONT BUY AIRCON ITS CRAP YOUR BETTER OFF THROWING A COUPLE OF BAGS OF ICE IN THE GLOVE BOX BEFORE EACH JOUNEY. they cost a fortune to buy, a fortune to run, weigh a ton, stink and dont work.
DJC said:
yi8tvr said:
If i remember rightly Daftlad told me that the aircon weighs around 70kg, i guess that has to be added on to the TVR figure. If i had known that and how crap they are and what they cost i would have kicked it into touch when specing her.
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
I beleive the air con units in most sports cars are agricultural (come out of a tractors)
Hate air con with a passion, even more so since I hardly use the bloody thing, except every now and then just to keep the system in nick. I only specced for come resale time
I am truly ashamed of myself for that. Don't you get a bit sticky in weather like this? Obviously my roof panels are off on a day like today, but if there were on for a long road trip we'd need the aircon big time, especially around town, to make for a comfortable drive.
I agree that TVR aircon isn't a patch on a major manufacturers' product but I'd rather have it and it works quite well for a TVR (now what does that mean?
).No, I drive around with the windows down.
I hate all air con. I hate that it weighs extra, hate that it consumes power and hate that it consumes extra petrol.
When buying cars my dad always gave me one piece of advice...always buy the biggest engine in the most basic spec. More power and it weighs less.
Toys n gadgets are for ppl who buy Porsches with ruffled leather.
I hate all air con. I hate that it weighs extra, hate that it consumes power and hate that it consumes extra petrol.
When buying cars my dad always gave me one piece of advice...always buy the biggest engine in the most basic spec. More power and it weighs less.
Toys n gadgets are for ppl who buy Porsches with ruffled leather.
IMHO aircon is absolutely essential and I would not buy any TVR without it. In this weather it just gets so hot inside. It’s not the most effective system, in fact it’s pretty poor compared to a eurobox, but it does make a very noticeable difference between sauna with it off and bearable with it on. It also stops the car steaming up when it’s raining.
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