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thats because the K series engine was very common and already had loads of options ...the 1.8 Toyota is a different beast....very hard to get more power out of it without forced induction, and also very hard to control using an aftermarket ECU
Have a look on the US based sites www.elisetalk.com
and keep an eye out on here and www.seloc.org for when someone finally starts offering a foced induction solution for them.........
Have a look on the US based sites www.elisetalk.com
and keep an eye out on here and www.seloc.org for when someone finally starts offering a foced induction solution for them.........
Apart from what bogie has suggested, there are some alternate cams available from Piper Cams.
On www.elisetalk.com take note of a guy by the name of Little Rocket and what he has done to the Toyota lump.
And probably the best induction kit I've seen so far for the 111R is being offered by a guy by the name of TurboXS, again on www.elisetalk.com
On www.elisetalk.com take note of a guy by the name of Little Rocket and what he has done to the Toyota lump.
And probably the best induction kit I've seen so far for the 111R is being offered by a guy by the name of TurboXS, again on www.elisetalk.com
sinclaires did say a lotus supercharger kit was on the way, but maybe it wont happen. I kind of want one for fast a-roads, but i do love having to wring everything out of the engine on a good b-road - don't know if an element of fun would be lost with forced induction. that's what i'll keep telling myself anyway, until i decide i can afford a exige s or honda.
i'm off down to bude for surfing tomorrow evening, first time in a while i'll be out of london and onto some decent roads. can't wait.
i'm off down to bude for surfing tomorrow evening, first time in a while i'll be out of london and onto some decent roads. can't wait.
I am currently working on bringing some 111R kits into the UK probably for September.
There are some cams available from Italy and a variety of supercharger and turbo charger kits from USA, Germany and Switzerland. Just trying to work out the best value right now as with duties, shipping and fitting it is hard to get it below £6k for a turbo kit and £5k supercharger kit and then there is the dreaded VAT. Mind, you can work on 260HP for a supercharged kit and 280HP on the turbo which gives you a big lift on your 189HP and betters the factory 240HP. These all work on a stock engine. Remember the engine is designed to haul around 1500kg of Toyota Celica so 860kg of Elise is not unduly stressing it.
There are some cams available from Italy and a variety of supercharger and turbo charger kits from USA, Germany and Switzerland. Just trying to work out the best value right now as with duties, shipping and fitting it is hard to get it below £6k for a turbo kit and £5k supercharger kit and then there is the dreaded VAT. Mind, you can work on 260HP for a supercharged kit and 280HP on the turbo which gives you a big lift on your 189HP and betters the factory 240HP. These all work on a stock engine. Remember the engine is designed to haul around 1500kg of Toyota Celica so 860kg of Elise is not unduly stressing it.
I think talk of a Lotus aftermarket SC kit was quashed by the factory a while back, you certainly can't retrofit the SC on the Exige S without considerable work... more to the point, Lotus don't want people to do it, so it's prohibitively expensive.
Per John's note, better to wait for the aftermarket guys to bring out something.
Not sure I'd want to be the test mule though.
As for the US peeps, don't knock 'em, they're giving it a try and don't forget that Jap cars are the fastest selling sector there and there is a huge market for tuning.
Per John's note, better to wait for the aftermarket guys to bring out something.
Not sure I'd want to be the test mule though.
As for the US peeps, don't knock 'em, they're giving it a try and don't forget that Jap cars are the fastest selling sector there and there is a huge market for tuning.
there is a company called Fenn sport they are very good with all thigs Toyota , Before you think of change cam shafts on the Toyota or the K series it is worth mentioning that a lot of after market cams are not as good as the factory std part, they will offer more performance due to diffrent cam lobes etc but some are severely out of balance. On a high revving engine like the toyota this can be bad news.If you balance (blue printed) a std engine you would see a good hike in BHP with out upgraded parts.
i dont know much about the toyota ones they've not been around long enough, but as far as the k series goes theres nothing wrong with any aftermarket cams as far as i'm aware and a blueprinted k is still gonna be around 120hp you certainly wont get another 10 to 15 bhp like you can with a set of cams
Edited by peter450 on Sunday 25th June 18:38
A blueprinted engine essentially involves a rebuild, crank and pistn/conrod balancing etc. Cams can be done without pening the engine bar the cam cover. Forced induction options leave the engine as is - the ultimate bolt-on.
The toyota engine is making nearly 190 bhp from a 1.8l - over 100 bhp/l, so you are not going to extract masses of extra power from it without some extreme mods or forced induction. SC seems to be the way to go with the yota.
The toyota engine is making nearly 190 bhp from a 1.8l - over 100 bhp/l, so you are not going to extract masses of extra power from it without some extreme mods or forced induction. SC seems to be the way to go with the yota.
Kit costs are affected by exchange rates which is why kits from America seem 'cheap' right now. Still the most used has to be the ForcedFed turbo kit as he has sold over 200 in the US. None of the others come near to that volume of sales.
I was in contact with John Modica last week and he said there was no interest from Europe! Maybe if it is on a shelf here things will be different.
I was in contact with John Modica last week and he said there was no interest from Europe! Maybe if it is on a shelf here things will be different.
Edited by john@arden on Tuesday 27th June 09:01
john@arden said:
Kit costs are affected by exchange rates which is why kits from America seem 'cheap' right now. Still the most used has to be the ForcedFed turbo kit as he has sold over 200 in the US. None of the others come near to that volume of sales.
I was in contact with John Modica last week and he said there was no interest from Europe! Maybe if it is on a shelf here things will be different.
I was in contact with John Modica last week and he said there was no interest from Europe! Maybe if it is on a shelf here things will be different.
Edited by john@arden on Tuesday 27th June 09:01
I think most people are waiting for the SC option rather than the Turbo, hence very little interest in the UK. The rumours of one turning up soon have been dragging on for at least 6 months now, so if it does not turn up soon, the Turbo route might start becoming a valid option for some.
shangani said:
Forced induction options leave the engine as is - the ultimate bolt-on.
The toyota engine is making nearly 190 bhp from a 1.8l - over 100 bhp/l, so you are not going to extract masses of extra power from it without some extreme mods or forced induction. SC seems to be the way to go with the yota.
The toyota engine is making nearly 190 bhp from a 1.8l - over 100 bhp/l, so you are not going to extract masses of extra power from it without some extreme mods or forced induction. SC seems to be the way to go with the yota.
Given the already respectable specific output of the Toyota engine I would have expected forced induction to necessitate a drop in compression ratio - definitely not a simple bolt-on. Unless it's low boost forced induction to fill in the torque curve.
The Ragnorak kits are not reliable and from what I have been told the customers car is the R&D platform. I am not willing for this to happen to my baby. The big question is who can mod your 'yota lump. Is there anyone out there who is proven and reliable?
I am begining to think the only option is to go to lotus....
I am begining to think the only option is to go to lotus....
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