Red light cameras - a query
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You're in a traffic jam that has to pass through a pedestrian crossing.
While the green light is on, and you think the queue in front is going to move away, you stop right on the crossing.
Someone presses the button to cross and the lights change to red.
The traffic ahead moves off.
You move off and thus no longer block the crossing, but are you going to receive a nice letter in the post offering you points on your licence.
How are the red light cameras triggered? Can they be triggered if the object enters under green but does not move from the space until the red.
I ask this as I observed someone yesterday do exactly this and wondered whether they are going to be penalised for what was very bad judgement.
While the green light is on, and you think the queue in front is going to move away, you stop right on the crossing.
Someone presses the button to cross and the lights change to red.
The traffic ahead moves off.
You move off and thus no longer block the crossing, but are you going to receive a nice letter in the post offering you points on your licence.
How are the red light cameras triggered? Can they be triggered if the object enters under green but does not move from the space until the red.
I ask this as I observed someone yesterday do exactly this and wondered whether they are going to be penalised for what was very bad judgement.
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Trigger for most redlight cameras is a pressure strip or induction loop below the road, just over the white line. Take a look and you'll see two or three thin trenches have been dug and filled to accomodate the strips.
Trigger for most redlight cameras is a pressure strip or induction loop below the road, just over the white line. Take a look and you'll see two or three thin trenches have been dug and filled to accomodate the strips.
Indeed, as for the mechanics behind it, I think it's only activated when lights are red, then the pressure sensors become active. So if you have gone over the strips before it's gone Red then you should be OK.
They flash anyway so you should know.
They flash anyway so you should know.
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Trigger for most redlight cameras is a pressure strip or induction loop below the road, just over the white line. Take a look and you'll see two or three thin trenches have been dug and filled to accomodate the strips.
Trigger for most redlight cameras is a pressure strip or induction loop below the road, just over the white line. Take a look and you'll see two or three thin trenches have been dug and filled to accomodate the strips.
Ah right.
So it's likely that the person I described will not be getting a letter as there were no gatso type cameras at this crossing.
But, if the sensor is only for approaching traffic, why do they mostly point down at the crossing or junction instead of at the direction of traffic?
So it's likely that the person I described will not be getting a letter as there were no gatso type cameras at this crossing.
But, if the sensor is only for approaching traffic, why do they mostly point down at the crossing or junction instead of at the direction of traffic?
I was going through a junction with a red light camera which has a yellow box which starts 6 feet or so after the lights. I had passed the lights at green but the traffic then stopped and I waited for the box to clear. Before it had cleared the lights turned to red and I was stuck straddling the stop line with my front wheels 2 -3 feet pass it. The camera never flashed and I never heard anything about it. I did think though what the actual situation is as far as the law is concerned.
V8S said:
Ah right.
So it's likely that the person I described will not be getting a letter as there were no gatso type cameras at this crossing.
But, if the sensor is only for approaching traffic, why do they mostly point down at the crossing or junction instead of at the direction of traffic?
So it's likely that the person I described will not be getting a letter as there were no gatso type cameras at this crossing.
But, if the sensor is only for approaching traffic, why do they mostly point down at the crossing or junction instead of at the direction of traffic?
I think that there are types of pelican crossings which actually look to see if anyone is waiting to cross.I think they're called :
Puffin (Pedestrian User-Friendly Intelligent crossings)
Honest.....
rewc said:
I was going through a junction with a red light camera which has a yellow box which starts 6 feet or so after the lights. I had passed the lights at green but the traffic then stopped and I waited for the box to clear. Before it had cleared the lights turned to red and I was stuck straddling the stop line with my front wheels 2 -3 feet pass it. The camera never flashed and I never heard anything about it. I did think though what the actual situation is as far as the law is concerned.
Done this the other day on the hanger lane roundabout, there is a set of lights after you come off the A40 West that have a very short Green phase and a red light camera! I was so busy watching the lights I didn't notice the cars stopping in the yellow box. I stopped between the white line and the beginning of the yellow box then the lights went red. All ok but had I have not been worrying about the lights changing I might have noticed the cars stopping and not overshot the white line.
tvrgit said:
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Is it? Which offence is that? I thought it was a specific offence on zebras but not on pelicans
No specific offence that I can dig up at the mo, but sufficient for obstruction or inconsiderate.
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Is it? Which offence is that? I thought it was a specific offence on zebras but not on pelicans
No specific offence that I can dig up at the mo, but sufficient for obstruction or inconsiderate.
I accept that - but I think that stopping on a zebra IS a specific citable offence but stopping on a pelican isn't.
tvrgit said:
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Is it? Which offence is that? I thought it was a specific offence on zebras but not on pelicans
No specific offence that I can dig up at the mo, but sufficient for obstruction or inconsiderate.
I accept that - but I think that stopping on a zebra IS a specific citable offence but stopping on a pelican isn't.
Stopping on the zebra zigzags certainly is except for traffic and to yield way. You need a copy of the zebra and pelican regs, which I don't have to hand, and unless tomorrow is particularly boring, I'm not likely to dig out, I'm afraid...!
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Is it? Which offence is that? I thought it was a specific offence on zebras but not on pelicans
No specific offence that I can dig up at the mo, but sufficient for obstruction or inconsiderate.
I accept that - but I think that stopping on a zebra IS a specific citable offence but stopping on a pelican isn't.
Stopping on the zebra zigzags certainly is except for traffic and to yield way. You need a copy of the zebra and pelican regs, which I don't have to hand, and unless tomorrow is particularly boring, I'm not likely to dig out, I'm afraid...!
It's Zebras, Pelicans & Puffins.
The legislation is the Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1997.
Reg 18 makes it an offence for the vehicle or any part of it to stop within the limits of a crossing (on the actual crossing)
Reg 20 makes it an offence to stop a vehicle or any part of it in a controlled area except where an exemption applies (within zig zags).
vonhosen said:
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
tvrgit said:
7db said:
Obviously it's an offence to be stopped on the crossing in its pedestrian phase so it would be well earned...
Is it? Which offence is that? I thought it was a specific offence on zebras but not on pelicans
No specific offence that I can dig up at the mo, but sufficient for obstruction or inconsiderate.
I accept that - but I think that stopping on a zebra IS a specific citable offence but stopping on a pelican isn't.
Stopping on the zebra zigzags certainly is except for traffic and to yield way. You need a copy of the zebra and pelican regs, which I don't have to hand, and unless tomorrow is particularly boring, I'm not likely to dig out, I'm afraid...!
It's Zebras, Pelicans & Puffins.
The legislation is the Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations 1997.
Reg 18 makes it an offence for the vehicle or any part of it to stop within the limits of a crossing (on the actual crossing)
Reg 20 makes it an offence to stop a vehicle or any part of it in a controlled area except where an exemption applies (within zig zags).
Streaky
Edited by streaky on Friday 30th June 15:07
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