Elise Honda SC versus G33 V8 5.0L Ginetta
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What about this, almost everyone around this forum knows that a Lotus Elise S2 Honda conversion with SC(300hp) is very fast 0-100 in around 8.6sec?
But what about this car in the Classifieds the Ginetta G33 with a TVR 5.0L V8
that means at least 340hp and dry sump in a package of only 870kg! its bin done all in 2002, this car can do 0 to 100 in just 8sec! that must be a fun ride and all that torque and sound 
a monster!
only? 14.950,-gbp! where a Honda SC S2 will cost around 20K?
Ofcorse? I like the Elise better, but this with a TVR V8 5.0L is very very tempting if you ask me...how about such car, I never driven one, so I don't know how its ride will be, bur this one must be good, with all the prices he has won...?
Beautiful and rapid road or track car, highly developed to be the quickest G33 V8. 0-100mph 8 secs, 80-100mph 2 secs. Low weight of 870kg with well-balanced handling...
So the G33 is faster and cheaper, also a bit older but has many new parts 2002>>2003?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/86133.htm
why are those cars only in GB aaaaaaargh....and RHD but I guess its not to difficult to switch in LHD?? but I'm only playing with my head now..., I would like a ride though
What are your thoughts about such G33 V8 TVR 5.0...?
thanks
GTRene
But what about this car in the Classifieds the Ginetta G33 with a TVR 5.0L V8
that means at least 340hp and dry sump in a package of only 870kg! its bin done all in 2002, this car can do 0 to 100 in just 8sec! that must be a fun ride and all that torque and sound a monster! only? 14.950,-gbp! where a Honda SC S2 will cost around 20K?
Ofcorse? I like the Elise better, but this with a TVR V8 5.0L is very very tempting if you ask me...how about such car, I never driven one, so I don't know how its ride will be, bur this one must be good, with all the prices he has won...?
Beautiful and rapid road or track car, highly developed to be the quickest G33 V8. 0-100mph 8 secs, 80-100mph 2 secs. Low weight of 870kg with well-balanced handling...
So the G33 is faster and cheaper, also a bit older but has many new parts 2002>>2003?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/86133.htm
why are those cars only in GB aaaaaaargh....and RHD but I guess its not to difficult to switch in LHD?? but I'm only playing with my head now..., I would like a ride though
What are your thoughts about such G33 V8 TVR 5.0...?
thanks
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Sunday 2nd July 04:27
bogie said:
I wouldnt really call it a road car 
its a sprint/hill climb/track car - good VFM but cant compare to the useability ( or rebuild interval) of an Elise with Honda or Audi conversion IMO
its a sprint/hill climb/track car - good VFM but cant compare to the useability ( or rebuild interval) of an Elise with Honda or Audi conversion IMO
yeah I know, but it also says this, and I've add some pictures that were not there at the moment I wrote this..its a very nice build for a G33
Receipts for £27k of development in 2002/4 for reliable road and competition use. Regretted sale after 15 years of fun
So it says for reliable road use? but have to go now...going out tonight
GTRene
Buy it, if you like it that much.
Not quite sure why youre bothering asking wether its a good buy, £20k for a SC Honda converted Elise/Exige I think you are dreaming.
Also although that car might have quite a low weight, its still more than my S1 Exige that is Honda SC and I have receipts for at least as much as you say the ginetta has.
A SC Honda car would show that where to go round a circuit,
Go buy it and try it.
Not quite sure why youre bothering asking wether its a good buy, £20k for a SC Honda converted Elise/Exige I think you are dreaming.
Also although that car might have quite a low weight, its still more than my S1 Exige that is Honda SC and I have receipts for at least as much as you say the ginetta has.
A SC Honda car would show that where to go round a circuit,
Go buy it and try it.
shangani said:
Ginettas aren't the best handling cars to start with. With a V8 lump I suspect that thing will handle like an old TVR.
Christian - with your driving I expect you would waste that Ginetta even if you were driving my car. In your car - you are right - no contest.
Christian - with your driving I expect you would waste that Ginetta even if you were driving my car. In your car - you are right - no contest.
New Quaife lsd, adjustable suspension with Nitron dampers, Cosworth brakes, balance adjuster, those are some parts out the list from that car...and with 40 throphy's and wins? I gues the handling can't be so bad...?
I'm not buying it because its in GB and RHD and I'm not a fan of popup lights! bad cw drag that way! and problems with the mechanism of those lights? and I'm also no fan of a softtop...that blows away over 250
but a funcar it is and the price in good shape is not that bad for so much power in a ligtweight, oke its 1992 origenal, but its not origenal, its almost new stuff on that car when you see the list and pictures, but then again I haven't seen it, but iy sound like serious fun to me, a big grin, though the Elise/Exige I like more(the model) But I'm a fan of lightweight
and V8 and fast accelerating 0 to 100 times and a good handling car, and a great ride and drivers involvemen'... Tonight when I came back from going out I had a pitstop(fuel) that took almost 45min! in the middle of the night...a groep of 8? youngsters age around 22>>29? saw my car and a lot of quistions and the remembering of my 255km/u ride and laserd aaaaahhh and they took a lot pictures and 4 of them took a video when I drove of...read blasted away
they know its fast for such car 0 to 100km/u in 4.5sec so I put of DSC3 and let the tires warm up and took a fast sprint when I left the gasstation while they where filming me My car is a moviestar and he did know what to do felt like a kid again! So now its late and time for bed...
Rest me to say...a 360hp Honda conversion in a S2 + hardtop + aircon + good set up will do the trick to me
the car out another thread...anyone have some real data 0 to 100 from such car the 360hp Honda Elise? thanks GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Sunday 2nd July 04:22
GTRene said:
New Quaife lsd, adjustable suspension with Nitron dampers, Cosworth brakes, balance adjuster, those are some parts out the list from that car...and with 40 throphy's and wins? I gues the handling can't be so bad...?
there's an old expression,
"you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear"
to put this into context, Ginetta's are hardly the cutting edge of sportscar handling, adding a shed load of 'branded' bit's is not going to change this.
Rene, when are you going to stop deaming and actually go and drive one of these cars?
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
scuffham said:
to put this into context, Ginetta's are hardly the cutting edge of sportscar handling, adding a shed load of 'branded' bit's is not going to change this.
Rene, when are you going to stop deaming and actually go and drive one of these cars?
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
Thanks scuffham that sounds clear...
When do I stop dreaming and buy one of these lotus cars? that all depends of when I've sold my (Z3) S54 M coupe the one on my profile...but I'm not in a hurry, its a lovely car to drive...though its a long time on sale now, waiting for the right sell, so it can take a while sadly.
In the mean time I have my eyes open for anything light and fast, though my heart on the moment and the money to spend when my car is sold will be on the Lotus Exige or Elise S2 most likely with a Honda conversion and a max up to 360hp it seems possible without any big engine blow ups when you drive it not always to the max but only when needed...read when you drive against a bike or fast exotic car...and where its "safe" to do so
So its not only a dream but can be done...I love many fast special cars....though a very fast Exige/Elise is one of my absolut favorits and maybe you can help a bit in that thing when that time arive's...(your honda conversion kit...experience...other things to know)
thanks...I'll keep dreaming and looking for...and will take action when the BMW have bin sold! sadly I don't have anough money or space(garage) to buy or make such beauty at the moment...needed the money that comes free when the bmw is sold, and then I can work on my next realworld dream! that maybe will be in august when that Belgium guy is still interested though they have strange rules in Belgium you have to make the car completely standard when you bring it in! so have to wait again, but no trouble I wait in luxery with such bimmer
Is that your Exige on top of that list you send??
cheers
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Sunday 2nd July 11:07
scuffham said:
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
*cough*
1 77 GLADMAN/GLADMAN Caterham CSR 260 1:12.314
jackal said:
scuffham said:
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
*cough*
1 77 GLADMAN/GLADMAN Caterham CSR 260 1:12.314
thats faster indeed but as you see the list there are a lot ordenairy cars in! just normal cars...and the most drivers can't drive that fast around a track...but it gives or can give some impress of what a car can do, but then best way is put the same racingdriver in all the cars around the same track then you can have a better real data list? GTRene
jackal said:
scuffham said:
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
*cough*
1 77 GLADMAN/GLADMAN Caterham CSR 260 1:12.314
yes Jackie, and which part of 'not a road car' and 'on slicks' did you not get?
scuffham said:
we *know* the SC honda is currently the fastest thing round a track (bar a XTR4) www.tunergp.co.uk/2005/download/ResultsGP.pdf
Not sure that was the most authoritative test
I suspect a supercharged atom would give it a run for its, not to mention a high boost auto technix jobbie. There was also an absence of competently tuned German metal. Also, what about radicals? I reckon the only solution is to take the car to the much more credible German tuner gp!
That looks like Paul's Ginetta. I haven't driven it, but Paul's taken me out for a few laps and the handling seemed fine as far as I could tell. It's a nicely set up car with "all the right bits". People do use these as road cars too, but you'd need to set the suspension up accordingly and that would compromise it as a track car - really better to focus on one thing or the other.
GreenV8S said:
That looks like Paul's Ginetta. I haven't driven it, but Paul's taken me out for a few laps and the handling seemed fine as far as I could tell. It's a nicely set up car with "all the right bits". People do use these as road cars too, but you'd need to set the suspension up accordingly and that would compromise it as a track car - really better to focus on one thing or the other.
The engine bay on the picture's looks very nice...and I bet the acceleration and the sound was also very very nice
Though I like ery much an al alu chassis like the Elise and the Wiesmann GT and sort like's..
Don't know how strong such iron chassis is and how rusty???
GTRene
GreenV8S said:
GTRene said:
The engine bay on the picture's looks very nice...and I bet the acceleration and the sound was also very very nice
Yes it did go rather well.
Stick to a steel chassis, they're far easier to work on. Have you ever tried to get anyone to weld an aluminium chassis?
Oke..when you have a crash then steal is better to work on, but I'm not buying a car to crash it
but I know what you ment... Just be sure you have a good ensurance and you should be fine...I normaly only drive on normal roads, and I'm not racing on cirquits so not such big deal for me...but when you race a car its a different balgame indeed...
thanks
GTRene
Also today a new car in the classifieds a Lotus S2 Elise with a audi engine 265hp must be quik too
see here; www.pistonheads.com/sales/86372.htm
But my favorite(that is payeble) is stil a honda conversion and a 300++hp engine
Or this...but then you almost can't find a spare clam...its all special made so very hard to get!
Very nice this wide Lotus-Elise-RS4-Esthi...420ps
GTRene
see here; www.pistonheads.com/sales/86372.htm
But my favorite(that is payeble) is stil a honda conversion
and a 300++hp engine Or this...but then you almost can't find a spare clam...its all special made so very hard to get!
Very nice this wide Lotus-Elise-RS4-Esthi...420ps
GTRene
Edited by GTRene on Monday 3rd July 15:22
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