Damn! Lost my cherry
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Ar$e!
After 15+ years of point-free motoring, I got NIPped this morning (72 in a 60, hardly the crime of the century...)
Bugger
Check out the ABD's website and see if there is anything there you can use. You shouldn't stand still for this. Make them prove it was you. Don't admit to anything.
If you can't remember who was driving at the time and they can't prove it was you, how can they legally hold you responsible?
Just because it was your car, that doesn't mean it was you driving.
www.abd.org.uk/index.htm
I got nabbed last year in August,(ironically right outside Silverstone), for the first time in 32 years.Yeah temporary restriction, 7.00am Sat morning, no other trafic, but 48 in a 40;rolleyes.
Regardless of wether it was me or not I asked for the photos and when they arrived I said they where inconclusive, so they sent better ones, and when they arrived I stated that I stil could not be certain as to who was driving the car.
At this point I was sent a pinsharp glossy print from the camera and had to either own up or tell yes, my wife does have a Frank Zappa type moustache.
I capitulated and got3+60. Ironically the limit was lifted 3 weeks later.Barsted.
\\ rian.
Regardless of wether it was me or not I asked for the photos and when they arrived I said they where inconclusive, so they sent better ones, and when they arrived I stated that I stil could not be certain as to who was driving the car.
At this point I was sent a pinsharp glossy print from the camera and had to either own up or tell yes, my wife does have a Frank Zappa type moustache.
I capitulated and got3+60. Ironically the limit was lifted 3 weeks later.Barsted.
\\ rian.
All Terrain said: Just random crap? or legal bull specific to scameras. Im intrigued!
Well IT Gos like this.
I write and request the photo evidence. When Its sent back make Shaw you cant get an Id from photo and it ain't been tampered with.
then instead of filling in the NIP. I then Write Back stating that I can Not identify the driver and unable to remember who was driving at the time.
I never give reasons why I can not remember. The fill a few pages with legal garbage about the right to silence and the adris case to the eropean court of human rights.
making the bit as longwinded as possible. also saying that if convicted i will ever be taking to the European Court, My self or asking for sentencing to be delayed until that case has been heard.. That will be a few years yet.
then at the bottom. I write. I have no way of knowing who was driving at the time but the current law.
s.172 and the Road Traffic Act 1988
forcing the registered keeper to confess is in breach of artical 6 of Of the Eropen court of human rights.
so I Therefore confess to being the driver of car at the time
under the duress and the threat of prosecution in breach of my eropian rights. I sing it attach the un completed Nip to the letter and send it back to them.
Most of this is just a smoke screen and to trow the civies that prosses it. Off the track of the real defense that i am useing. Also the fact they will get pissed reading it and skip most of it.
what normal then happens is they send a letter back say heres a FPN for £60 as you have said you were driving.
now i just bin the ticked/don't pay It and wait.
The scam being they have sent the FPN. so can no longer do me for not telling the the drive as the have accepted my answer by sending FPN.
but when i havent payed it and the send it to the CPS
They can now spot the problem.
I have never admitted to driving it. I have clearly stated I do not know who was driving and that I'm making a fausle confession.
a fausle confession is inadmissible at a court. there fore with out any other evidence. there is no case to answer.
worked for me they never wanted to test it in court yet.
Lol
still 0 points
I does however rely on the civies making the goof. It aint failed yet.
>> Edited by outlaw on Friday 7th February 22:18
outlaw - that sounds pretty good!
noted that it relies on the office bods making a gaff.
i have a friend awaiting an NIP right now - i shall pass it on.
i guess that this requires a certain amount of balls, and as this is a young lady....
anyhow will let you know if the NIP turns up and she decides to give this a go.
noted that it relies on the office bods making a gaff.
i have a friend awaiting an NIP right now - i shall pass it on.
i guess that this requires a certain amount of balls, and as this is a young lady....
anyhow will let you know if the NIP turns up and she decides to give this a go.
Mr V6.
As I understand matters the registerred keeper of a vehicle you drive regularly (perhaps) has received an NIP as opposed to yourself individually. You must be absolutely certain it was yourself driving before you potentially perjure (sp?) yourself in any self incriminating way,.
DAZ
As I understand matters the registerred keeper of a vehicle you drive regularly (perhaps) has received an NIP as opposed to yourself individually. You must be absolutely certain it was yourself driving before you potentially perjure (sp?) yourself in any self incriminating way,.
DAZ
Lol
Its worth a try if you got the balls.
Im not promising it will work. What I can say is Iv used It and I worked like a dream.
However It has never been tested in court. They have alll ways droped it.
never even replying after i dont pay
I never hear another wisper from them.
my guess is the cps dont want to risk it going to court.
Personaly I think fiting It was the best couse of action.
pluss i enjoy putting one over on em.
and am willing and able to handel the court defence my self for this simple stuff.
I would have 9 points by now instead of none if i had not
but do remember to keep copy of every thing and all way send stuff recorded delivery
I wont roll over for no one.
>> Edited by outlaw on Sunday 9th February 17:48
Its worth a try if you got the balls.
Im not promising it will work. What I can say is Iv used It and I worked like a dream.
However It has never been tested in court. They have alll ways droped it.
never even replying after i dont pay
I never hear another wisper from them.
my guess is the cps dont want to risk it going to court.
Personaly I think fiting It was the best couse of action.
pluss i enjoy putting one over on em.
and am willing and able to handel the court defence my self for this simple stuff.
I would have 9 points by now instead of none if i had not
but do remember to keep copy of every thing and all way send stuff recorded delivery
I wont roll over for no one.
>> Edited by outlaw on Sunday 9th February 17:48
outlaw said: Lol
Its worth a try if you got the balls.
Im not promising it will work. What I can say is Iv used It and I worked like a dream.
However It has never been tested in court. They have alll ways droped it.
never even replying after i dont pay
I never hear another wisper from them.
my guess is the cps dont want to risk it going to court.
Personaly I think fiting It was the best couse of action.
pluss i enjoy putting one over on em.
and am willing and able to handel the court defence my self for this simple stuff.
I would have 9 points by now instead of none if i had not
but do remember to keep copy of every thing and all way send stuff recorded delivery
I wont roll over for no one.
>> Edited by outlaw on Sunday 9th February 17:48
I suspect that they know how shaky their ground is on this issue and they won't pursue it in court if challenged.
There should be an immediate investigation of this policy by an independent civil-rights group.
If it turns out to be true, this means that they're relying on the general public to not call their bluff and that would really make me angry if it did turn out to be the truth.
If they are in fact pursuing a policy that they know to be unjust and unenforceable is an act of unforgivable arrogance and incompetence.
If that ever comes out, they should be required to not only return all money collected in fines (plus interest) but also they should be forced to remove all points unjustly applied to people's licenses and require all insurance companies to return their customer's premiums to the original level and pay retroactive refunds.
Not only that but every elected official who supported such a police should be removed from office and disqalified from holding any future elected office.
Arrrrggghhh! This makes me so angry!!!
Jon
What you are saying is entirely fair and reasonable. Of course in the past justice was more fair and reasonable than it clearly is now. The politicians, officials, much of the the magisterial justice system, many senior police and regrettably many on the ground have succumbed to the web of lies and half truths, distortions and misinformation, hidden agendas that both hide and drive present road policy.
Elsewhere, people have said the law is the law, breaking the law is wrong. I cannot agree. Wrong law and injustice must be opposed.
Outlaw is right. I can also claim 100% success rate in having charges for camera 'offences' I have been indirectly involved in or advised in dropped. If we all did this they would either have to make the law so draconian that the average punter would start to see thorugh what is happening or they would have to drop this nonsense.
What you are saying is entirely fair and reasonable. Of course in the past justice was more fair and reasonable than it clearly is now. The politicians, officials, much of the the magisterial justice system, many senior police and regrettably many on the ground have succumbed to the web of lies and half truths, distortions and misinformation, hidden agendas that both hide and drive present road policy.
Elsewhere, people have said the law is the law, breaking the law is wrong. I cannot agree. Wrong law and injustice must be opposed.
Outlaw is right. I can also claim 100% success rate in having charges for camera 'offences' I have been indirectly involved in or advised in dropped. If we all did this they would either have to make the law so draconian that the average punter would start to see thorugh what is happening or they would have to drop this nonsense.
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