What is Mechanical Sympathy?
What is Mechanical Sympathy?
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CarZee

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13,382 posts

295 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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It's something I feel like I understand innately and that it's something think I must possess to a degree, but trying to describe what it is throws up problems..

(Or is there another reason why Mrs Zee's car plays up whenever she drives it yet behaves perfectly when I drive it?)

Thoughts?

pdv6

16,442 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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You should try having the conversation about mechanical sympathy set to a soothing background of crunching gears...

TheLemming

4,319 posts

293 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Mechanical Sympathy... Hmmm tough one.

How about a Zen-like state of awareness where car and driver become one in the pursuit of speed and lateral G forces?

Or simply plenty of practise and understanding

Bonce

4,339 posts

307 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Is that when you use a rubber mallet for repairs instead of a metal one?

jeremyc

27,823 posts

312 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Good question, difficult to answer!

I think it comes down to an understanding of at least the basics of how the car works (at a minimum) which enables you to look out for/listen/detect anomolies in its operation as you drive.

As an example, if you can't even imagine how a clutch works to transmit drive from the engine through the gearbox, then how on earth are you going to decide that something is labouring/slipping.

Also, it comes down to an interest and motivation to look out for these things. Many petrolheads are interested in how their car is performing and will make a point of monitoring it whilst driving. Many others simply don't have this interest (and I clearly wouldn't dare to put Mrs. CarZee in this group ) and so concentrate on other things....

I believe the single most valuable step towards mechanical sympathy is to understand how the key elements of the vehicle work.

CarZee

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13,382 posts

295 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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jeremyc said:I believe the single most valuable step towards mechanical sympathy is to understand how the key elements of the vehicle work
ah yes..

- this big round thing makes it go round corners..
- these shiny glass things are for checking hair & makeup
- this lever is for hanging your handbag on..

etc..



jeremyc

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312 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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CarZee said:- this big round thing makes it go round corners..
- these shiny glass things are for checking hair & makeup
- this lever is for hanging your handbag on..
That's what I started to write, then remembered that Mrs. CarZee was implicated so toned it down a little.

Glad you said it though - rather you than me.

moleamol

15,887 posts

291 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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(Or is there another reason why Mrs Zee's car plays up whenever she drives it yet behaves perfectly when I drive it?)

Thoughts?
Maybe it's afraid that if it doesn't behave you'll harp on at it for three weeks using unnecessarily long words

Edited for the sake of it

>> Edited by moleamol on Thursday 6th February 10:10

deltaf

1,384 posts

285 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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I think having mechanical sympathy is one of those things that comes and goes.
I mean like youll go out for a run and the gearchanges all happen at the best possible time, you match the revs to that gearchange perfectly, the speed you carry round corners is just spot on and the car responds to you it rewards you with a smile.
You know that feeling?
Other times it dosnt feel right, botched clutch take ups and stalling off the lights(oops)........
Thats my definition of it, a state of mind.

plotloss

67,280 posts

298 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Mechanical Sympathy - Treating a vehicle with the respect it deserves. This comes from an understanding of mechanics and rudimentary physics and ultimately leads to fidusary damage limitation over total cost of ownership.

Ho hum. Pass the butter.

Matt.

miniman

29,816 posts

290 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Mechanical Sympathy - is the difference between me and the missus driving a car:

Me: hear strange noise, determine what might be the problem, pull over if necessary, fix problem.
Her: hear strange noise, turn up radio.

CarZee

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13,382 posts

295 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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You definitely have something there Deltaf.. for the most part I can drive quickly and smoothly but some days things just don't go as sweetly..

I guess the better and more practiced you are, the more of the time you can attain mechanical nirvana

Jeremy - no Mrs Zee isn't implicated.. she is interested in cars and stuff and is happy to learn better driving techniques, but she's just never really had the need or opportunity to learn before about the mechanical side of things, and she doesn't want to be learning about them on the hard shoulder when she should be at work either which is why I'm in the Golf today

We're now looking for a more urbane replacement for the Golf.

apache

39,731 posts

312 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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A subconcious ability to extract the maximum performance from a mechanical system causing the minimum stress and wear of its components.

Any Welsh female swamp donkeys answering to the name of Maureen need not apply

miniman

29,816 posts

290 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Ahhh... "swamp donkeys" - haven't heard that classic for a while.

Must say I prefer "kangarilla bush pig", myself...

incorrigible

13,668 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Mechanical sympathy, is feeling sorry for something after you've abused it. Promise you won't do it again, give it a cuddle and a nice drink of fully synth...... until the next time

But really

It's the difference between using full throttle on a cold car at 1500rpm because "I shouldn't over rev it when it's cold" and changing down and doing 2200rpm @1/4 throttle because "it just feels better"


davidd

6,712 posts

312 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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I like the version by the Verve...

incorrigible

13,668 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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I don't think Deltaf is talking about mechanical sympathy

That's a hangover mate

davidd

6,712 posts

312 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Oh yes..

It's been nice to your car, not dropping the clutch at 6000rpm, trying to avoid placing undue stress and strain on the mechanical components by driving smoothly, making sure you are in the right gear (PH hat for instance) and planning ahead so you have to have no silly brake stamping. Also things like avoiding drive train shunt and stuff.

Of course this is made increasingly hard by the number of 'traffic calming' measures springing up all over the shop. All these do is turn a nice road into a series of stop start (or in some cases short sprints) sessions, causing a lot of extra wear on the car and also using more fuel and creating more noise. Brilliant idea that one thanks very much...Tossers

D.

Edited to modify somewhat vague spooling

>> Edited by davidd on Thursday 6th February 10:39

TheLemming

4,319 posts

293 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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mungo said: Mechanical sympaphy=

Doing donuts in the wet instead of the dry


Or perhaps nursing the car back to health after hammering the hell out of it on track

Mrs carzee

542 posts

292 months

Thursday 6th February 2003
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Ok time for me to defend myself - I do have to mention the last noise that no one would believe me about for a month, because it was only there after the car had been going for 50 odd miles. Oh yes the Green flag man did chuckle when is wasn't there after I waited for him for an hour

Turned out to be a dry joint on the driveshaft, Oh and by the way madam, did you not realise that all the bolts are so loose they are about to fall out

Yes I have been treating my car with the respect it deserves - probably more than it deserves since it digs me in the back and doesn't even keep me warm