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I cant decide between a 111S mK1 or a 160S mk1 so to help me decide can 11 of you reply with your choice so I can see what wins. Sorry to keep boring you all with this, I have stopped being a batty and decided to take the plunge but now its what to buy. I will be using it every day.
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turboguru said:
I cant decide between a 111S mK1 or a 160S mk1 so to help me decide can 11 of you reply with your choice so I can see what wins. Sorry to keep boring you all with this, I have stopped being a batty and decided to take the plunge but now its what to buy. I will be using it every day.
Cheers
tg
Cheers
tg
160!
For me, personally, it'd be the S160, no question about it. Fine car the 11S is, the 160 has the potential to be a lot more fun.... I'm all about the raw Lotus driving experience so either a standard S1 with some work done, or a S135/S160 would be my choice. The 111S is too comfort oriented.
The one proviso would be tat if it's for daily use, maybe an ECU and verniers on the 160 would calm it down enough in traffic to make it a more sensible prospect.
Also, the short ratio box in the 111s while great on track, makes the car really annoying on the open road... which seems at odds with its greater user-friendliness that the rest of the car portrays.
Either are cracking cars though.
The one proviso would be tat if it's for daily use, maybe an ECU and verniers on the 160 would calm it down enough in traffic to make it a more sensible prospect.
Also, the short ratio box in the 111s while great on track, makes the car really annoying on the open road... which seems at odds with its greater user-friendliness that the rest of the car portrays.
Either are cracking cars though.
Sounds like Plans Motorport might have a decent sounding one avaialble in the very near future:
http://forums.seloc.org/classified.ph
http://forums.seloc.org/classified.ph
160! I drove it once and it's a great machine, however most of the 160 that I know have been used on track very intensive... but not necessary for the 111s, be careful of the past history of the car that's all.
I totally agreed with a lot of people that most of the track driver are looking very carefully after their car. But you do need some attention to buy a second hand car, specially there is no garantee from a private person and it might cost lot of $$$ for certain repairing.
I totally agreed with a lot of people that most of the track driver are looking very carefully after their car. But you do need some attention to buy a second hand car, specially there is no garantee from a private person and it might cost lot of $$$ for certain repairing.
Edited by yan97 on Tuesday 4th July 13:25
yan97 said:
160! I drove it once and it's a great machine, however most of the 160 has been used for track... but not necessary for the 111s, be careful of the past history of the car.
If a car is tracked it is not always a bad thing provided it is well maintained. Many track day enthusiasts will look after their cars far better than those who use them day-to-day.
interesting question...
speaking as someone who has now owned a standard S1, S1 111S and SVA Sport 160 (my current steed)... all as daily drivers, I think perhaps I'm qualified to give my 2p's worth.
my gut reaction is that the S1 111S is the better car as a daily driver... it feels less temperemental and more 'unburstable'... almost germanic in many ways. i've never done much in the way of motorway mileage so the c/r box was never a problem for me.
the only issues with the s1 111s is the standard suspension... i personally felt that the extra power of the vvc engine started to give the standard set-up a hard time... i never felt truly secure with the car.
with a set of Nitrons, Advans, pagids, braided hoses, sports zorst, hurricane induction and 160TB, a S1 111S would imho be 'THE' most complete S1 elise out there.
on to the S160...
if you want a car that is raw, fast, loud and handles well, this is the one... do bear in mind the shorter service intervals and group 20 insurance (s1 is 17 and s1 111s is 18). the seats (if you have the sports seats which not all do!) are quite funky but not as comfy as the 111s seats (which i believe formed the basis of the standard s2 seats).
if you want a car that you can just get in and drive, buy a 111s... if you want something that is more of an 'event' and requires respect and a firm hand, buy the Sport 160 (especially if it is a lairy SVA car without the verniers etc).
as i said at the start, i run all my elises as daily drivers... but i do live less than mile from work so all my mileage is fun driving.
given the choice between my current car (see my profile for a pic) or a S1 111S with the suggested mods from above... i'm not actually sure which would get my vote!
speaking as someone who has now owned a standard S1, S1 111S and SVA Sport 160 (my current steed)... all as daily drivers, I think perhaps I'm qualified to give my 2p's worth.
my gut reaction is that the S1 111S is the better car as a daily driver... it feels less temperemental and more 'unburstable'... almost germanic in many ways. i've never done much in the way of motorway mileage so the c/r box was never a problem for me.
the only issues with the s1 111s is the standard suspension... i personally felt that the extra power of the vvc engine started to give the standard set-up a hard time... i never felt truly secure with the car.
with a set of Nitrons, Advans, pagids, braided hoses, sports zorst, hurricane induction and 160TB, a S1 111S would imho be 'THE' most complete S1 elise out there.
on to the S160...
if you want a car that is raw, fast, loud and handles well, this is the one... do bear in mind the shorter service intervals and group 20 insurance (s1 is 17 and s1 111s is 18). the seats (if you have the sports seats which not all do!) are quite funky but not as comfy as the 111s seats (which i believe formed the basis of the standard s2 seats).
if you want a car that you can just get in and drive, buy a 111s... if you want something that is more of an 'event' and requires respect and a firm hand, buy the Sport 160 (especially if it is a lairy SVA car without the verniers etc).
as i said at the start, i run all my elises as daily drivers... but i do live less than mile from work so all my mileage is fun driving.
given the choice between my current car (see my profile for a pic) or a S1 111S with the suggested mods from above... i'm not actually sure which would get my vote!
StuartB said:
yan97 said:
160! I drove it once and it's a great machine, however most of the 160 has been used for track... but not necessary for the 111s, be careful of the past history of the car.
If a car is tracked it is not always a bad thing provided it is well maintained. Many track day enthusiasts will look after their cars far better than those who use them day-to-day.
absolutely true... my S160 has seen quite a few trackdays in it's prior ownership but has been maintained beautifully... i compared it with a untracked example and ultimately had more faith in the tracked car...
to run a car effectively on track, you need to be on the ball with tyres, suspension, brakes, engine etc etc... all these things are often overlooked on road cars (i've even seen S160's with original p-zeros!!!!)
Tuff choice huh!
I have a 111s and love it and use it as an everyday car.
The gearbox I only really notice on motorways as it revs quite high, feels like you need a 6th sometimes.
Haven't driven a 160 so can't coment on them, but the 111s is a cracking car, I really must put a picture on my profile.
enie meney mine mo might help
Edit: Ayjay, I love that color!
I have a 111s and love it and use it as an everyday car.
The gearbox I only really notice on motorways as it revs quite high, feels like you need a 6th sometimes.
Haven't driven a 160 so can't coment on them, but the 111s is a cracking car, I really must put a picture on my profile.
enie meney mine mo might help
Edit: Ayjay, I love that color!
Edited by stsly on Tuesday 4th July 13:04
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