French Grand Prix.
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Dull as ditchwater. Dull, again. Outlaw the overtaking via pit stops and make them race. I've said it before and I'm sad to say I'll probably say it again. The fact that Schumacher et al when in the points will not overtake on the road because they know they don't have to is just simply an insult to the fans. De La Rosa at least showed that the myth of not being able to get close enough is simply not true.
Thank God Eurosport repeat the moto gp so I can watch at 5. Slept through all but the first 20 mins of the French GP it was so interesting....was woken up by the magnificent Italian national anthem , which is the only good thing about the German cheat winning. Oh for some decent racing in F1, we haven't had any since Hill and Schumacher slugged it out all those years ago.
mikeyboy said:
Dull, again. Outlaw the overtaking via pit stops and make them race. I've said it before and I'm sad to say I'll probably say it again. The fact that Schumacher et al when in the points will not overtake on the road because they know they don't have to is just simply an insult to the fans. De La Rosa at least showed that the myth of not being able to get close enough is simply not true.
I'm not convinced that banning pit stops would result in lots more overtaking. You claim that drivers don't have to pass on the track but very often you see a driver following a slower car, thereby ruining their race, but they don't pass (eg Schumacher behind Trulli at the Canadian GP this year). Are you saying that drivers as good as Schumacher are happy to give up the chance of a win simply because they don't feel like trying to overtake?
I don't see how the fact that de la Rosa overtook some cars today proves anything.
SamHH said:
apache said:
I completed an electronic survey recently and most of the questions asked how to make it more interesting and would more overtaking (on the track) be a good idea, can't remember who it was from
The FIA survey?
No, I have no direct evidence for my 30%/70% theory except for the fact that experienced F1 drivers seem far less likely to attempt overtaking moves than inexperienced ones. Why is that?
I feel that experienced drivers know that the risk outweighs the reward so prefer to sit back and collect the points or try to use the pit stops and the resultant clear track to "jump" their oponents.
Aerodynamics on current F1 cars don't help at all with their over reliamce on front end downforce from the front wings.
I feel that experienced drivers know that the risk outweighs the reward so prefer to sit back and collect the points or try to use the pit stops and the resultant clear track to "jump" their oponents.
Aerodynamics on current F1 cars don't help at all with their over reliamce on front end downforce from the front wings.
magic torch said:
That FIA survey was a real eye opener. Just couldn't get my head round the number of questions relating to technology.
I couldn't believe all the questions related to recieving news and highlights via mobile phone, so I didn't complete the survey incase at some stage it needed additional information so they can pass on my details to a mobile phone service provider and all the other crap sales calls I could expect.
From what I can recall over the last 15 or so years, overtaking and competitive racing has dissapeared since they reduced the size of the rear diffuser, reduced the maximum width of the cars wheeltrack and introduced grooved tyres. All ways to cut mechanical/basic grip so the aerodynamicists have taken over to get the grip back other ways, ways which create turbulance behind the cars no slipstream and poor on the limit handling.
Go back to pre-1992 rules and cut the aerodynamic/bodywork limits and all those ridiculous winglets/fins and ban the over the bodywork exhausts, get the exhaust exiting under the rear diffuser and we may get better racing.
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