Beware Farnborough Hants
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The thing that these w@nkers who put these vans out seem to forget is that every person that gets caught for a rediculous speed (34 in a 30 etc) is another person that will NOT be helping the police if need be.
I know for a fact that if the police wanted to use my house as a stakeout point or somthing else I would be the first to say
you bunch of why dont you go yourself and your cat as well.
I know for a fact that if the police wanted to use my house as a stakeout point or somthing else I would be the first to say
you bunch of why dont you go yourself and your cat as well.Beware Hampshire! especially North Hampshire.
You thought they only had 6 months to issue a Summons,
not here: they have a special box on the form called "Date of Information", 
which bears no relationship to the date of issue or anything else. Hence they can completely ignore the 6 months and issue summons up to 3 years after the event as long as the "date of information" is within the 6 months - which of course it always will be.
You can imagine it, Monday morning !!! we have forgotten this one, never mind get the paperwork done, we'll just put last week's date on for the information, of course the Court needs a proper date for the summons, but we'll post it even later, so it won't get to the defendant until 3 days before the hearing, we'll get a conviction in absence. Another good result!
This does maintain the thread above, 38 in 30, nearly 1,000,000 conviction-free miles, and another P**Sed off formerly upright citizen.
>> Edited by sailor on Wednesday 12th February 17:41
You thought they only had 6 months to issue a Summons,
not here: they have a special box on the form called "Date of Information", which bears no relationship to the date of issue or anything else. Hence they can completely ignore the 6 months and issue summons up to 3 years after the event as long as the "date of information" is within the 6 months - which of course it always will be. You can imagine it, Monday morning !!! we have forgotten this one, never mind get the paperwork done, we'll just put last week's date on for the information, of course the Court needs a proper date for the summons, but we'll post it even later, so it won't get to the defendant until 3 days before the hearing, we'll get a conviction in absence. Another good result!
This does maintain the thread above, 38 in 30, nearly 1,000,000 conviction-free miles, and another P**Sed off formerly upright citizen.
>> Edited by sailor on Wednesday 12th February 17:41
I concur - caught last year coming from the Rushmoor Borough Council roundabout accelerating up to 40mph from a standstill up the dual carriageway towards Farnborough Tech on the left - van was in the lay-by 150m up on the left.
Where else do you get a dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit?...can only presume the Tech is classed as a school!? Noted that the 30 mph signs are before the roundabout with no repeater signs on the dual carriageway.
Damn those rapidly accelerating TVRs!
Where else do you get a dual carriageway with a 30 mph limit?...can only presume the Tech is classed as a school!? Noted that the 30 mph signs are before the roundabout with no repeater signs on the dual carriageway.
Damn those rapidly accelerating TVRs!
The Farnborough speed trap is infamous in the local area. It features in the local Star newspaper every week. Everyone agrees it is a ridiculous speed limit to have on a dual carriageway, and it is before the local college anyway so they cant even use that excuse.
It is purely there to produce cash for the police that is all. It is no wonder they are losing the respect of ordinary people when the only dealings they ever prob have with the police are when they are on the receiving end of a fixed penalty notice.
There are no speed limit signs anywhere near the location where they park their van everyday either.
There do seem to be some very reasonable policemen out there like Madcop, but the problems come from their idiot w*nker bosses who dont know their arses from their elbows.
Phew feel better for getting that off my chest!
It is purely there to produce cash for the police that is all. It is no wonder they are losing the respect of ordinary people when the only dealings they ever prob have with the police are when they are on the receiving end of a fixed penalty notice.
There are no speed limit signs anywhere near the location where they park their van everyday either.
There do seem to be some very reasonable policemen out there like Madcop, but the problems come from their
idiot w*nker bosses who dont know their arses from their elbows. Phew feel better for getting that off my chest!
Hants now belong to the safety scamera.org thingy and you can find out the dclared siting positions for the mobile units here by post code www.safetycamera.org.uk/tc.shtml#
location button on the left, once in you can scan around the county. Saying that i know of one location near me that isn't on the list so how good it is remains to be seen.
Harry
location button on the left, once in you can scan around the county. Saying that i know of one location near me that isn't on the list so how good it is remains to be seen.
Harry
Personally I think it's a load of b*****s!
1) there's been a so called saftey camera van on the bridge over M3 at jnc 4A on a number times recently, not shown on their map.
2) the b******s have just announced that they intend to increase the council tax in Hampshire so that plod can keep policing us! Probably means MORE b....y saftey cameras!
Think I'm going to get out of this place.......
Mick
1) there's been a so called saftey camera van on the bridge over M3 at jnc 4A on a number times recently, not shown on their map.
2) the b******s have just announced that they intend to increase the council tax in Hampshire so that plod can keep policing us! Probably means MORE b....y saftey cameras!
Think I'm going to get out of this place.......
Mick
thing is in farnborough the camera is normally opposite a pub named the tumbledown cos most people who leave a so shit faced they tumble down chances of people safely going about past the small parade of shops with a single track pavement needs the 30 limit. its a built up area u need speed the link road is only a 2 min drive, and besides if you are worried about the cops take the back road run parallel with the dual carriageway and with the bumps halfway down u can get all wheels clear of the road
soulpatch said: The thing that these w@nkers who put these vans out seem to forget is that every person that gets caught for a rediculous speed (34 in a 30 etc) is another person that will NOT be helping the police if need be.
I can understand why you say that but if you think about it, why are the Police there at all (other than to stop speeders)? They are there to help
the public and try to see that offenders are bought to justice. They cannot do this alone, particularly where crime issues are concerned. By failing to assist the Police, nobody is affected worse than those that the Police are there to try and protect. You do yourself a big dis-service by having that sort of attitude. I would like to think that even if someone had been caught for speeding that if they saw a neighbours car being damaged or stolen, they would at least call the incident in, even as in many cases they will not support that call by giving a written statement.
I know for a fact that if the police wanted to use my house as a stakeout point or somthing else I would be the first to say
Then do not expect to have serious problems which may have an impact on your quality of life resolved.
The use of homes for observation of criminal activity is very useful. The Police are grateful for those that are willing to co-operate such use. However they are useful but not essential. other methods can be used.
To state that you will not help society attempt to rectify criminal activity because you were not aware enough to avoid your own misfortune is petty in the least.
Speed limits are clearly advertised (in most cases) and if they are not then there is opportunity to mitigate or defend your actions.
By failing to assist the Police you are not punishing them. You are punishing the rest of decent society by doing so.
sailor said: Beware Hampshire! especially North Hampshire.
You thought they only had 6 months to issue a Summons,
This is not specific policy for Hampshire. It is the law. It is called the statutory limit on proceedings.
As long as the information is laid (basically the summons is put before a Magistrate or Magistrates Clerk for signature) within 6 months of the offence, then the summons is valid. It does not have to be served within 6 months of the offence. It could be served even 6 years later if you decide to do a runner and eventually come back.
Statutory limit on procedings is 6 months for summary offences except for No V.E.L and Insurance when a limit of 3 years is the time allowed to lay the information.
You can imagine it, Monday morning !!! we have forgotten this one, never mind get the paperwork done, we'll just put last week's date on for the information, of course the Court needs a proper date for the summons, but we'll post it even later, so it won't get to the defendant until 3 days before the hearing, we'll get a conviction in absence. Another good result!
This does maintain the thread above, 38 in 30, nearly 1,000,000 conviction-free miles, and another P**Sed off formerly upright citizen.
There are exceptions to the Statutory limit on proceedings and if the court assess that the information has been delayed through unecessary procrastination or other reasons which are unfair to the defendant, they can refuse its issue on the basis of abuse of process regulations.
Courts and Police do not back date informations or charges to allow for mistakes to be rectified. That would lead to allegations of perverting justice and the possibilty of joining Jeffrey Archer on a 4 year stretch for a like offence! (maximum 7 years)
Farnborough .... I used to live there.... managed 5 points on the Black Water Valley road, 08:00 sunny sunday morning in April - clocked for 101 in a company Omega, actually done for 42 in a 30 the morning I picked my 400SE up driving through Farnham!!
add that to 3 points I picked up in the march of that year driving into london ....11 points within 2 months. I was gutted. Had to endure Aldershot Magistrates court.. horrible experience... plead not to loose my job (totting) and generally admit i was a bad driver to 4 aging numpties (combine ages aprox 250 years of age). Thing that pissed them off though when they passed sentence and gave me the 5 points and the fine, I pulled out a wad of crisp £10 notes and offered them to the clerk.... their face was asight!
add that to 3 points I picked up in the march of that year driving into london ....11 points within 2 months. I was gutted. Had to endure Aldershot Magistrates court.. horrible experience... plead not to loose my job (totting) and generally admit i was a bad driver to 4 aging numpties (combine ages aprox 250 years of age). Thing that pissed them off though when they passed sentence and gave me the 5 points and the fine, I pulled out a wad of crisp £10 notes and offered them to the clerk.... their face was asight!
You cant fail to miss them in Farnborough its like a police state they are hiding everywhere. I spend more time looking to see if I can spot the bushes rustling where they're hiding than I do looking at the road.
This therefore has a negative affect on road safety, as most locals spend their time on the lookout for speed traps instead of concentrating on their driving.
Yes I know we should all stick to the speed limits, but if you saw the roads we were talking about even Madcop would have to agree that the speed limits were blatently wrong.
And as to boyr4acer, well I know wot u mean about that road that runs parallel. The road is so uneven and has big humps along it (not speed ones), that cause you to lift off at almost any speed!
This therefore has a negative affect on road safety, as most locals spend their time on the lookout for speed traps instead of concentrating on their driving.
Yes I know we should all stick to the speed limits, but if you saw the roads we were talking about even Madcop would have to agree that the speed limits were blatently wrong.
And as to boyr4acer, well I know wot u mean about that road that runs parallel. The road is so uneven and has big humps along it (not speed ones), that cause you to lift off at almost any speed!
madcop said:
soulpatch said: The thing that these w@nkers who put these vans out seem to forget is that every person that gets caught for a rediculous speed (34 in a 30 etc) is another person that will NOT be helping the police if need be.
I can understand why you say that but if you think about it, why are the Police there at all (other than to stop speeders)? They are there to help
Like many others here I appreciate madcop's and the other
's enthusiasm and contribution, but they do not realise just how bad relationships are with the police, and this is not just due to motoring. The question is valid "why are the police here at all ?" they refused to respond to help one of my daughters faced with a mob at work, while persecuting another without any justification (now a PCA case).
I brought my daughters up to look on the BiB as their friends, and tried to introduce my little one (then 5 years old) to one on his beat(!). He didn't want to know.
It didn't help when a traffic car on the wrong side of a narrow lane forced us off the road, a few years ago, but a lasting impression on us all.
HC has definitely lost the plot.
Beware Basingstoke! They've just introduced a pile of unwanted unnecessary new speed limits in accident free areas.
I will be writing to my MP, the local councillors and also applying for the ABD pack on how to object to new limits.
Bleedin' Hungerford has done the same too. The 30mph speed limit now start so far before the town absolutely no-one believes it and passes by the sign at about 70mph. That's a ban if caught - and its not necessary.
Makes me so mad.....
I will be writing to my MP, the local councillors and also applying for the ABD pack on how to object to new limits.
Bleedin' Hungerford has done the same too. The 30mph speed limit now start so far before the town absolutely no-one believes it and passes by the sign at about 70mph. That's a ban if caught - and its not necessary.
Makes me so mad.....
madcop said:
Then do not expect to have serious problems which may have an impact on your quality of life resolved
Nothing new there then. I wouldn't necesarily refuse them entry for a stakeout etc. but the day I actually see the "service" part of the Police Service is the day I start having a lot more respect from them in general. e.g. in a incident involving a burglary in the house next door to me owned by an 80 year old woman. I called the police (999) and told than that the theiving scumbag was still in the house. I was advised not to confront him and to wait for the police. Well, an hour and half later a single WPC turned up who didn't want to go into the house, so she called for the dog handlers who took another 1/2 hour to turn up. Lo and behold, the burglar had long gone. 2 hours to turn up to what should have been an absolute certain arrest had they arrived within minutes.
>> Edited by Mr2Mike on Thursday 20th February 16:33
Mr2Mike said:
Nothing new there then. Well, an hour and half later a single WPC turned up who didn't want to go into the house, so she called for the dog handlers who took another 1/2 hour to turn up. Lo and behold, the burglar had long gone. 2 hours to turn up to what should have been an absolute certain arrest had they arrived within minutes.
All the Police I know would have busted a gut to get to a job like that. the problem is that because of bearocracy and procedure, there are not enough Policemen/women to go around. PACE does not allow you to dump prisoners in cells whilst you respond to calls (once dealing with a prisoner you can be committed for anything up to 8 or more hours if you are unlucky).
You cannot leave the scene of an RTA unprotected to rush to another immediate call such as this. You cannot tell the violent husband to curtail his attack on his wife or children while you disappear for an hour to attend the burglary on the other side of town.
The facts are that these days, demand outstrips supply many times over. In my force in the large busy town that I cover, it is not uncommon for over 100 jobs per day to go uncovered. They are eventually attended or resourced sometimes days or even weeks later.
Many of these jobs can be such as the one you have quoted. If there is no one to attend because the 6 uniformed Police officers on duty are committed with other jobs, then there is no one to attend. It is not the fault of the Police that this is the case.
The Govt are responsible for the work load that has increased through paperwork and petty beaurocracy. They have bought in rules for crime recording and investigation in the last year which now sees just about every call into control rooms given a crime reference number. These all have to be investigated. Many of the jobs are not just 20 minute committments. Some can take hours to resolve to a satisfactory conclusion.
Dog handlers are a scarce resource and are in huge demand. They normally cover very large areas. It would not be inconceivable for a dog handler to have to travel more than half an hour across his territory to get to a job if he is in the wrong place which more than likely he/she will be.
I do not blame a single officer for deciding to wait for assistance before going into an unknown building alone in search of an offender such as a burglar.
Personally I would have gone in because I am confident in my own abilities to deal with whatever may face me ( I also have a pretty reliable crew mate who never asks questions
) In an ideal world Police would love to arrive like knights in shining armour to every call for help, particularly to incidents like burglary in progress etc. But there are just not enough of us to do it.
You can probably understand why there are not many Police officers these days. A lot of people are put off by the way they feel they will be perceived by the rest of society.
Personally I don't care what they think. I just get on with it as best I can. If most officers did not think like that, then society really would be in the sh1t in a big way!
>> Edited by madcop on Thursday 20th February 23:12
I whole heartedly agree with both sides in the last two post here.
As madcop rightly says there are only so many policemen/women to cover large areas and to do everything 'by the book' or they may as well not have started.
The only issue I have with this is that it is becoming patently obvious to joe public (i.e. the likes of me) that something has to change quite dramatically for it to get any better
.
I'm sure the BiB have been pointing out, internally up the chain of command for years, that it's on a greasy downwards slope, obviously to no avail.
Where do the current problem stem from
, possibily with the 'senior officers' for not making a strong enough case to prevent the current situation developing, where all police forces are effectively hamstrung by the mountain of red tape .
Is there a way out of this, I think, like most things in life, it is easily to get into difficultuies but extremely difficult to get out of them.
As I alluded to at the begining of my rambling, something radical has to happen, what that is I don't know, perhaps a change of management, perhaps, like most walks of life at the moment a drift away from the extreme PC climate may help.
Madcop you have my admiration and every sympathy for continuing to work in the current climate.
To simplfy then, we don't have bad coppers at the moment they just have a very bad framework from which to work in and nothing short of a tidal wave will change that in the short term.
Harry
Obviously AIMHO
PS the terms BiB and coppers apply to policemen at or below the rank of inspector
As madcop rightly says there are only so many policemen/women to cover large areas and to do everything 'by the book' or they may as well not have started.
The only issue I have with this is that it is becoming patently obvious to joe public (i.e. the likes of me) that something has to change quite dramatically for it to get any better
. I'm sure the BiB have been pointing out, internally up the chain of command for years, that it's on a greasy downwards slope, obviously to no avail
. Where do the current problem stem from
, possibily with the 'senior officers' for not making a strong enough case to prevent the current situation developing, where all police forces are effectively hamstrung by the mountain of red tape . Is there a way out of this
, I think, like most things in life, it is easily to get into difficultuies but extremely difficult to get out of them. As I alluded to at the begining of my rambling, something radical has to happen, what that is I don't know, perhaps a change of management, perhaps, like most walks of life at the moment a drift away from the extreme PC climate may help
. Madcop you have my admiration and every sympathy for continuing to work in the current climate.
To simplfy then, we don't have bad coppers at the moment they just have a very bad framework from which to work in and nothing short of a tidal wave will change that in the short term.
Harry
Obviously AIMHO
PS the terms BiB and coppers apply to policemen at or below the rank of inspector
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