RE: More M6 tolls ruled out
RE: More M6 tolls ruled out
Thursday 20th July 2006

More M6 tolls ruled out

Government will widen the M6 instead


M6 Toll to remain unique?
M6 Toll to remain unique?
Future improvements to the M6 between Birmingham and Manchester will not include the option of a tolled Expressway, Transport Minister Stephen Ladyman, announced today.

The Highways Agency has carried out a detailed review of the option of building a new Expressway to run broadly parallel with the M6 between junctions 11a and 19, as an alternative to widening the existing M6 by one lane in each direction.

The Expressway option would be more difficult to construct than initially believed and cannot be built more quickly than the widening, which the Highways Agency's work shows could be delivered by 2017. The Expressway would require 50 per cent more land than the widening option, would cost some £3.5billion (15 per cent more), and its construction would introduce significant disruption to the existing M6.

Transport Minister Stephen Ladyman said: "Having considered all the options, I am clear that the right way forward is for the Highways Agency to focus on delivering one extra lane in each direction on the M6. We have carried out detailed analysis and the extra works and land required and the costs involved do not support further work on the Expressway.

"I am clear that the widening would need to be accompanied by demand management measures to ensure that the benefits of the additional capacity are locked-in, and not lost through increased traffic levels. I have therefore asked the Highways Agency to press ahead with the preparation of detailed proposals.

"It is absolutely right that we investigate the options thoroughly when considering investment on this scale. The decision will be welcomed by many local residents and environmental campaigners who prefer the widening option."

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Al 450

Original Poster:

1,390 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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2017!!!!!

Maybe they should have started to sort the mess out 11 years ago.

Worst motorway ever....

mmm-five

12,044 posts

306 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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So to avoid the disruption a new toll road would create (not using the existin M6 of course) ... they're going to have to close some lanes of the M6 instead to build an extra lane. How does the latter avoid the disruption for the next 10 years then?

Wouldn't it be better to stop and think (yes, I know they're politicians) that in 10 years time an extra lane will be of no use as the people disrupted by the widening work will have all rotted in their cars in one almighty 10-year-long traffic jam.

Therefore why not add an extra 3 lanes instead of 1 and then you've got capacity for at least the next 50 years. 3 lanes will not necessarily cause any more disruption as it will still only require the hard shoulder and lane 1 to be coned off anyway.

It won't matter if it costs three times as much due to the fact that everything the government does costs three times as much in the end anyway.

Edited by mmm-five on Thursday 20th July 13:01

targarama

14,717 posts

305 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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Only to four lanes? They should put 5 lanes in each direction while they're at it. Mind you, the road will be chocker from day one however many lanes they put in.

Viggo

69 posts

270 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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The obvious answer is for a double decker motorway with a toll to use the upper deck - which would have all the advantages of light, oxygen - while the lower deck can be given over to strange Troglodite drivers who hide from the sun inside caps and hoodies and breath only carbon monoxide. White Van drivers.

Edited by Viggo on Thursday 20th July 13:11

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

299 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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I agree, why expand by 1 lane when that expansion will probably not cover the current demand let alone anticipate any increase over 10 years. We need a decent transportation spine running from London through Birmingham to Manchester, the three main population areas, and it needs to be five lanes in each direction. In effect we have that for a few junctions of the M6/M6 Toll, but feeding six lanes into three or four at the end of that is madness.

havoc

32,562 posts

257 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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Viggo said:
The obvious answer is for a double decker motorway with a toll to use the upper deck - which would have all the advantages of light, oxygen - while the lower deck can be given over to strange Troglodite drivers who hide from the sun inside caps and hoodies and breath only carbon monoxide. White Van drivers.

Bizarrely enough not an unreasonable suggestion.

Although you may find that rare creature, the TVR driver, also making use of the lower deck, due to it's 'acoustic properties', and their aversion to sunlight (from spending so long UNDER their cars working on them!!! )

alhuyshe

40 posts

239 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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They haven't thought about teaching people to use the lane on the left, then.....

Just thought it might be cheaper.

deadlym

117 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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While HGVs are allowed in all but the outside lane, it won't matter how many extra lanes are added.

He's taken all this time to work out that widening a road is less of a hassle than building a complete new one? Don't think so - more like he's realised ALL roads will be tolled by the time it'd be ready.

patently

111 posts

236 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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[quote]I am clear that the widening would need to be accompanied by demand management measures[/quote]

That frightens me.

havoc

32,562 posts

257 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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Some moron from friends of the earth was on the radio earlier saying "they should make better use of the roads that exist!"

What, like herding all the lentilists up and stampeding them with a bunch of TVRs and Lotuses?!?
(Actually: Bentley GT's and M5's...need something with some heft behind it that won't bend when it hits!!!)

deadlym

117 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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Ladyman said:
The decision will be welcomed by many local residents and environmental campaigners who prefer the widening option.

Heh. Not quite. They just hate it the least out of the two options. I'm pretty sure local residents and environmental campaigners would only welcome no expansion at all.

HUGE

1,138 posts

306 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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How many millions did it cost in survey costs/management consultant fees to come up with the bleeding obvious.....
Quickly translate all the verbose political speak that Mr Ladyman (from Bangkok?)comes out with and hes trying to justify the fact that your average 2-year old could have told him the conclusion,without wasting taxpayers money
The lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum

"I am clear that the widening would need to be accompanied by demand management measures to ensure that the benefits of the additional capacity are locked-in, and not lost through increased traffic levels."

....Eh???

Edited by HUGE on Thursday 20th July 22:49

deadlym

117 posts

254 months

Thursday 20th July 2006
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HUGE said:
"I am clear that the widening would need to be accompanied by demand management measures to ensure that the benefits of the additional capacity are locked-in, and not lost through increased traffic levels."

....Eh???

Demand management = Road pricing.

Crippo

1,332 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd July 2006
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Cant wait for the road works to start with 40mph digi speed cameras from junction 12 where I get on to Junction 20.... how many extra hours am I going to spend behind the wheel for the next 10 years as a result of this. I'm sure hey wont be diminished by the extra speed I WONT be able to make in 10 years time when they have brought in tolls and sat tracking. How does this benefit me again?????