Should we organise a protest?
Discussion
This questions been bugging me for some time, and im still no closer to an answer.
Should we as motorists allow this speed camera cobblers to go unchallenged, or should we show our hand and take the fight to em?
Bear in mind im no good as an organiser, foot soldier yes.
What say you all?
Should we as motorists allow this speed camera cobblers to go unchallenged, or should we show our hand and take the fight to em?
Bear in mind im no good as an organiser, foot soldier yes.
What say you all?
I have a terrible feeling that the 'public' either don't care or haven't noticed. Until they all have got pints, or lost their licences, it will always be someone else who gets done. By the time people wake up it will be too late.
I work surrounded by people who are intelligent and capable, but although I know every one of them breaks speed limits they all say 'You won't get caught if you don't speed...'.
It's justthe same with surveilance and identity cards, although you can make an argument that they're not inherently bad (i'm not convinved myself, but...) given the technology available and the nature of (all) our politicians I think it is somewhat concerning, but no public outcry.
Still it's democaracy.
Rant over.
Mike.
I work surrounded by people who are intelligent and capable, but although I know every one of them breaks speed limits they all say 'You won't get caught if you don't speed...'.
It's justthe same with surveilance and identity cards, although you can make an argument that they're not inherently bad (i'm not convinved myself, but...) given the technology available and the nature of (all) our politicians I think it is somewhat concerning, but no public outcry.
Still it's democaracy.
Rant over.
Mike.
Gentlemen are we not missing the point?
It is not GATSO, SPECS etc that are the problem it is inappropriate speed limits.
If we are to campaign it should be to have sensible limits imposed along with flexible legislation that allows intelligent drivers to proceed without fear of arbitary penalisation.
If realistic speeds were allowed only idiots would be threatened with enforcement, attacking the instalation of cameras will not gain the sympathy of the man on the Clapham Omnibus and stands little chance of either popular support or success.
A cavalcade of sports and GT cars would alienate the non enthusiast, a Cavalcade of Cavaliers, Mondeos, Fiestas etc would be more credible.
It is not GATSO, SPECS etc that are the problem it is inappropriate speed limits.
If we are to campaign it should be to have sensible limits imposed along with flexible legislation that allows intelligent drivers to proceed without fear of arbitary penalisation.
If realistic speeds were allowed only idiots would be threatened with enforcement, attacking the instalation of cameras will not gain the sympathy of the man on the Clapham Omnibus and stands little chance of either popular support or success.
A cavalcade of sports and GT cars would alienate the non enthusiast, a Cavalcade of Cavaliers, Mondeos, Fiestas etc would be more credible.
Better be quick if you want to arrange a slow proscesion round parlimant square/trafalgare square etc otherwise we will have to pay £5 each for the privilige!
Apparently local councils and police forces are becoming reliant on the cash generated by cameras (according to an annonymous former speed camera advisor in Evo mag).
If we could arrange a month of going slow they might go bankrupt, but that would be a bit self defeating.
Apparently local councils and police forces are becoming reliant on the cash generated by cameras (according to an annonymous former speed camera advisor in Evo mag).
If we could arrange a month of going slow they might go bankrupt, but that would be a bit self defeating.
Although i agree with you Gnomesmith, i feel the point is to MAKE a point.
The limits are too low, but theres too many poxy speedcameras already, they just want more.
WTFS up with them? They not shagging enough of us already or what?
I think a protest of almost any descrption may have some effect, the only thing is, itd need to be big.
The limits are too low, but theres too many poxy speedcameras already, they just want more.
WTFS up with them? They not shagging enough of us already or what?
I think a protest of almost any descrption may have some effect, the only thing is, itd need to be big.
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=28273
check out this thread then, more scameras planned but villagers are still expected to tool themselves up with radar guns, why?, cos the fcuking cameras will be placed in positions of maximum earning potential
check out this thread then, more scameras planned but villagers are still expected to tool themselves up with radar guns, why?, cos the fcuking cameras will be placed in positions of maximum earning potential
Hi all,
Since these cameras probably use CCD devices, pointing a laser, maybe even the handheld pointer devices, to them should disable the camera.
So, visit your local electronics store, put on your 'Saddam Hussein', 'Osama Bin Laden' or even 'Jacques Chirac' mask and have a go. All that would be seen or recorded is a bright flash! Happy Motoring! Jim'85TE
Since these cameras probably use CCD devices, pointing a laser, maybe even the handheld pointer devices, to them should disable the camera.
So, visit your local electronics store, put on your 'Saddam Hussein', 'Osama Bin Laden' or even 'Jacques Chirac' mask and have a go. All that would be seen or recorded is a bright flash! Happy Motoring! Jim'85TE
Since these cameras probably use CCD devices, pointing a laser, maybe even the handheld pointer devices, to them should disable the camera.
Not according to the physicist I talked to
You'd need a ridiculous powerful piece of kit to do anything. Projectile weapons and explosives are much easier.
Yes explosives an burning tyres are very atractive, i must admit.
But gatso dont yet use ccd cameras, they still use the old type camera and film methods.
So aiming a laser pointer at one of these wont do anything.
However, there is a laser you can build yourself, (its not amazingly hard) that puts out aprox 50 watts in the infra red band.
Thats enough to burn you seriously.
I reckon if that was aimed at a gatsos lens itd fry the shutter mechanism and burn whatever was behind it, remember itd get concentrated by the lens. Also the insides of these cameras are matt black so inproving absorbtion of the heat.
Do the same to a truvelo and yes, itd die the death too, or specs...or cc cameras....all easily destroyed using this method.
BTW, an ordinary laser pointer will overload a specs cam quite easily and if prolonged can damage the picture elements.
But gatso dont yet use ccd cameras, they still use the old type camera and film methods.
So aiming a laser pointer at one of these wont do anything.
However, there is a laser you can build yourself, (its not amazingly hard) that puts out aprox 50 watts in the infra red band.
Thats enough to burn you seriously.
I reckon if that was aimed at a gatsos lens itd fry the shutter mechanism and burn whatever was behind it, remember itd get concentrated by the lens. Also the insides of these cameras are matt black so inproving absorbtion of the heat.
Do the same to a truvelo and yes, itd die the death too, or specs...or cc cameras....all easily destroyed using this method.
BTW, an ordinary laser pointer will overload a specs cam quite easily and if prolonged can damage the picture elements.
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However, there is a laser you can build yourself, (its not amazingly hard) that puts out aprox 50 watts in the infra red band.
Impressive isn't it, you can hardly see by a 50watt lightbulb but stick all that energy in one place and wahey!
Sadly even high power lazers won't fool a CCD, all you have to do is electronically filter it (which you can do from the digital data) and you get a perfectly clear black & white image.
However, there is a laser you can build yourself, (its not amazingly hard) that puts out aprox 50 watts in the infra red band.
Impressive isn't it, you can hardly see by a 50watt lightbulb but stick all that energy in one place and wahey!
Sadly even high power lazers won't fool a CCD, all you have to do is electronically filter it (which you can do from the digital data) and you get a perfectly clear black & white image.
Hmmmmm, now i wonder why you say that P*Ting?
If you were aim your 50 watt infra red laser at a ccd, itd put such a lot of heat into it, that itd burn it out, due to thermal overload.
I dont see how digital technology is gonna handle a thermal problem right on the picture element of a camera, however having said that, id tend to agree about low power lasers such as 3 mw pointers possibly being filtered out (mebbe..
).
The good thing about the 50 watt design that you can bulid is you could set the insides of the gatso on fire, anything plastic such as wires etc...thatd cost em some cash, for very little risk.
If you were aim your 50 watt infra red laser at a ccd, itd put such a lot of heat into it, that itd burn it out, due to thermal overload.
I dont see how digital technology is gonna handle a thermal problem right on the picture element of a camera, however having said that, id tend to agree about low power lasers such as 3 mw pointers possibly being filtered out (mebbe..
). The good thing about the 50 watt design that you can bulid is you could set the insides of the gatso on fire, anything plastic such as wires etc...thatd cost em some cash, for very little risk.
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