Homemade stinger
Discussion
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little t
ts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
pdV6 said:
'Proper' stingers have hollow spikes so as to let the tyres down in a more controlled fashion. A strip of nails could cause a big accident.
Aye, to effectively shoot out all 4 tyres at once is going to become a potentially very dangerous situation with a high speed car being driven by a twonk completely out of control. Just remember that if you did do this it could be one of your friends or relatives who ends up getting hit by it.
In addition my friend to the heavy offence of criminal damage (rubs hands copiously) Section 148 Highways Act 1980 = Without lawful authority or excuse a person deposits ANYTHING whatsover on a highway to the interuption of any user of the Highway.
£1,000 fine.
Consider also obstruction of the Highway under same Act?
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£1,000 fine.
Consider also obstruction of the Highway under same Act?
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V8S said:
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little tts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
vonhosen said:
V8S said:
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little tts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
Agreed, but......
does this count for someone driving a stolen car, without tax, without insurance etc, thus not a 'legal' road user?
I seem to remember back to my Business Law days where there is a concept which I have forgotten the name of where basically you cannot expect to complain about infringements of your rights whilst you are breaking the law yourself?
justinp1 said:
vonhosen said:
V8S said:
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little tts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
Agreed, but......
does this count for someone driving a stolen car, without tax, without insurance etc, thus not a 'legal' road user?
I seem to remember back to my Business Law days where there is a concept which I have forgotten the name of where basically you cannot expect to complain about infringements of your rights whilst you are breaking the law yourself?
Well, I think the current human rights laws protect the criminals these days, and they have probably more rights than law abiding citizens.
That is my personal observation.
justinp1 said:
vonhosen said:
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
Agreed, but......
does this count for someone driving a stolen car, without tax, without insurance etc, thus not a 'legal' road user?
a) No...
and
b) even if it did you don't actually know for certain that they're not legal
and
c) it's not "causing a danger to any particular road user" so much as "causing a danger to road users in general".
fangio said:
You ARE joking, aren't you?
If you mean me ..........yes and no..........
I asked what the legal technicalities were. I never in a million years would make a stinger, but I can imagine many people coping each night with fools ragging stolen cars around their neighbourhoods are wont to try to stop them.
The camera sounds like a good idea, but would that evidence be worthwhile? I mean, pictures without speed readings would just show a static car. Or a blurred car that could be moving slowly but captured with a slow shutter.
Video might be better but what worth is that to police other than identification... it's not really evidence that would hold up in court is it?
justinp1 said:
I seem to remember back to my Business Law days where there is a concept which I have forgotten the name of where basically you cannot expect to complain about infringements of your rights whilst you are breaking the law yourself?
Not in Blair's Britain you can't! That'd be like a burglar cutting himself on a window as he breaks into a house, and him getting done for burglary rather than the homeowner being done for not having burglar-friendly windows!
We had a problem from the antisocial housing at the end of our road...
cars and scooters being screamed through our street at all hours of the night (30kph zone). We just parked both sides of the street so they had to chicane through it (had spoken to the "services" beforehand re their vehicules) and did this for about 2 weeks...really peed them off but there was nowt they could do....apart from which our Boys in Green visited them regularly and heavy handedly during this time to show "presence".....end of.....
Obviously one can't do that so easily when one has a whole estate of antisocial housing.... perhaps a shotgun or two...????
cars and scooters being screamed through our street at all hours of the night (30kph zone). We just parked both sides of the street so they had to chicane through it (had spoken to the "services" beforehand re their vehicules) and did this for about 2 weeks...really peed them off but there was nowt they could do....apart from which our Boys in Green visited them regularly and heavy handedly during this time to show "presence".....end of.....
Obviously one can't do that so easily when one has a whole estate of antisocial housing.... perhaps a shotgun or two...????
vonhosen said:
V8S said:
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little tts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
and..., your point is?
Narvanath said:
The only thing you can do, that would be somewhat effective and legal, would be to try and photograph the "culpriks" with a good digital SLR / zoom lens combination and pass the images on the local police.
It can't be digital as it is more easily to photoshop a digital image.
police state said:
vonhosen said:
V8S said:
I'm assuming that people on some of these city estates must get pretty bored with joyriders hammering around in cars. I know from when my g/f lived in Bristol that we'd mutter to ourselves that it would be good to go out onto the street and somehow stop the little tts.
So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
ts. So if someone was to make a stinger device out of an old inner tube with nails in it (for example), what would the legalities and potential problems be with using it to stop people obviously breaking the law in their neighbourhood?
I can see that if there's a chase you don't want to take out the police tyres, and then there's the joyriders losing control and hitting a tree / someone / someone's house. Is there anything the public could realistically do to end such antisocial and dangerous actions such as joyriding?
Sec 22A Road Traffic Act 1988 - Causing a danger to road users.
and..., your point is?
My point is, that's the offence you'd be commiting.
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