Demise of the Tamora and T350, No reactions?
Discussion
Hi,
A couple of weeks ago there was a thread saying that the Tamora and T350 line were being stopped, I have heard from my dealership that this true. What surprises me is the little reaction there has been to this.
I am in two minds to this, one the value of the used ones should stay more level and drop less quickly and second, sad that they are stopping one of the most beautiful of their range.
Reactions?
Sacha
www.t350.net
Apparently, a T350 and a Tamora were built for - and delivered to the Excel Motor Show ,but turned away and sent back to Blackpool as it was decided not to show them due to production ceasing.
Quite sad really , Motor Show cars that never were.....
Quite sad really , Motor Show cars that never were.....
Edited by WhiteChimp500 on Tuesday 1st August 08:02
They are "rationalising" the range - and going up market in price - I suppose it makes sense to slim down the model lines, and I think there will be a new range of cars for the next motor show in 2 years time - the Tuscan will go, and I suspect the Sagaris will be replaced unless it sells very well. The models will line up much more in the Porsche mode - a £40k convertible, £50k stock model, and high power and GT variants in the £60-80k range - the Tuscan GT and Sagaris at the moment.
I doubt that my next sports car purchase will be a TVR unless there are huge quality and practicality improvements - I'm getting too irritable to live with TVR niggles!
I doubt that my next sports car purchase will be a TVR unless there are huge quality and practicality improvements - I'm getting too irritable to live with TVR niggles!
nubbin said:
They are "rationalising" the range - and going up market in price - I suppose it makes sense to slim down the model lines, and I think there will be a new range of cars for the next motor show in 2 years time - the Tuscan will go, and I suspect the Sagaris will be replaced unless it sells very well. The models will line up much more in the Porsche mode - a £40k convertible, £50k stock model, and high power and GT variants in the £60-80k range - the Tuscan GT and Sagaris at the moment.
I doubt that my next sports car purchase will be a TVR unless there are huge quality and practicality improvements - I'm getting too irritable to live with TVR niggles!
I doubt that my next sports car purchase will be a TVR unless there are huge quality and practicality improvements - I'm getting too irritable to live with TVR niggles!
I think that the company will be going downhill with regards to the pricing. Yes its good for business, but for the die hard TVR fan like me, who up until recently could have gotten a brand new T350 for under £40k new, its going to be too pricy.
Seriously, wheres the extra 8-10k going on the new Sagaris? The exhausts look rubbish compared to the old'uns, and I can't tell any other differences.
Polarbert said:
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I think that the company will be going downhill with regards to the pricing. Yes its good for business, but for the die hard TVR fan like me, who up until recently could have gotten a brand new T350 for under £40k new, its going to be too pricy.
Seriously, wheres the extra 8-10k going on the new Sagaris? The exhausts look rubbish compared to the old'uns, and I can't tell any other differences.
I think that the company will be going downhill with regards to the pricing. Yes its good for business, but for the die hard TVR fan like me, who up until recently could have gotten a brand new T350 for under £40k new, its going to be too pricy.
Seriously, wheres the extra 8-10k going on the new Sagaris? The exhausts look rubbish compared to the old'uns, and I can't tell any other differences.
In a way TVR's have been inexpensive cars for what they are. Look at current Lotus offerings, there's not a lot there over and above the excellent chassis design... A good amount of ££ on an ordinary car must go into the twiddling and testing for mass production.
A lot of new Sagaris ££££ must be going to Ricardo to cover engine development for the new markets...?
I agree with all the above, I actually started that thread and was surprised with how little response there was. The T350 is amazing, I totally love it and so do the people i drive past in the street 
On the plus side the price should be held up especially if it is true they will continue production for another year with a £8000 increase in price. Another point is.... with the increased cost of a new T350 does this mean improved parts ?? If so will these be available for the second hand market ?? Will these be used on warranty jobs ??
On the plus side the price should be held up especially if it is true they will continue production for another year with a £8000 increase in price. Another point is.... with the increased cost of a new T350 does this mean improved parts ?? If so will these be available for the second hand market ?? Will these be used on warranty jobs ??
As an owner of a T350 i did think the T350 would be changed to the Sagaris body type (chassis, shell etc) it can't be cost effective to have all the different moulds etc .... i thought there was a "smooth bodied" Sagaris in the pipeline which would lead to the end of the T350 in its current form.
If TVR are increasing the prices by such a large % above current list prices it can't but help us current owners in the residual values.
Its a bold move by TVR to try and get into the exclusive league of supercars and good luck to them. I think they should also look and the general owners who don't earn mega salaries and aspire to own TVR's from their childhood dreams ...... I still remember hearing a V8 Wedge ... hooked for life.
If TVR are increasing the prices by such a large % above current list prices it can't but help us current owners in the residual values.
Its a bold move by TVR to try and get into the exclusive league of supercars and good luck to them. I think they should also look and the general owners who don't earn mega salaries and aspire to own TVR's from their childhood dreams ...... I still remember hearing a V8 Wedge ... hooked for life.
From what I have heard you can no longer order a T350 unless its one of the last in projected build or a stock item.
On another note, does anybody know how many T350 have been built in total?
Sacha
www.t350.net
On another note, does anybody know how many T350 have been built in total?
Sacha
www.t350.net
bilton_d said:
As an owner of a T350 i did think the T350 would be changed to the Sagaris body type (chassis, shell etc) it can't be cost effective to have all the different moulds etc ....
Wouldn't have thought it makes any difference to the cost. It's not as if you have downtime on a pressline, as you change tools over from one model to the next. You just use the T350 mould instead of the Saggy one.
IIRC TVR get 100ish cars out of a mould before it need replacing, but if you are making T350s it just means it takes longer before the Sag mould needs replacing.
Moulds are made in house, so I don't think it matters which is made. Presumably one mould costs the same as any other mould.
I had a long conversation with the guy on the TVR stand at the motorshow, in fact it was him who told me about production ceasing. He seemed to be of the mindset that TVR are trying to up their image in the marketplace by producing better made, more exclusive and hence expensive cars.
I can see the thinking behind this but surely TVRs are already pretty exclusive, since buying my T350 five months ago I have not seen another one on the road. In fact I have only seen two since the car was launched.
It's a shame that the T350 has been one of the models for the chop as many people I speak to think it is the smartest most TVRish car in the range... but then again I am biased.
I try not to think about second hand values and what the car will be worth.... I sold my TT to get a TVR as I though the new Audi would affect secondhand values and look at me now!!!!!
Just intend to try and enjoy the car, the look, the feel, the noise, the attention it brings and see what the future holds. It will all make for happy memories when all I can afford is a second hand Skoda
Cheers - Rippers
I can see the thinking behind this but surely TVRs are already pretty exclusive, since buying my T350 five months ago I have not seen another one on the road. In fact I have only seen two since the car was launched.
It's a shame that the T350 has been one of the models for the chop as many people I speak to think it is the smartest most TVRish car in the range... but then again I am biased.
I try not to think about second hand values and what the car will be worth.... I sold my TT to get a TVR as I though the new Audi would affect secondhand values and look at me now!!!!!
Just intend to try and enjoy the car, the look, the feel, the noise, the attention it brings and see what the future holds. It will all make for happy memories when all I can afford is a second hand Skoda
Cheers - Rippers
I never tire of people telling me how pretty the T350 is And the rarity factor is great! It is a shame they've stopped producing it but you can't blame them - there can only be one reason that they're so rare and that's because they don't sell and TVR is a business after all. Personally I'll celebrate the fact that my car will now be very exclusive! I don't think residual values will be badly affected either, in fact it could slow it down a little (the car will never ever gain value in the short term). From my experience of selling my previous VX220 Turbo, which is now also out of production, I could have got more for it now than I could when I sold it 6 months ago!
And the rarity factor is great! It is a shame they've stopped producing it but you can't blame them - there can only be one reason that they're so rare and that's because they don't sell and TVR is a business after all. Personally I'll celebrate the fact that my car will now be very exclusive! I don't think residual values will be badly affected either, in fact it could slow it down a little (the car will never ever gain value in the short term). From my experience of selling my previous VX220 Turbo, which is now also out of production, I could have got more for it now than I could when I sold it 6 months ago!...Then perhaps the cars we have are the last true 'In yer face' (but gorgeous) Brit sports cars to made from TVR!
Will definitely be keeping mine, even if some mad Italian asks me to swap it for his brand new Ferrari Scallopytagialtelli.
As long as I still can get mine serviced/repaired, I’m happy……..
Will definitely be keeping mine, even if some mad Italian asks me to swap it for his brand new Ferrari Scallopytagialtelli.
As long as I still can get mine serviced/repaired, I’m happy……..
Be keeping mine too. Plan was to chop the Tam in after a couple of years, for another TVR of some ilk.
Now, looking at the proposed prices, the only way I'll be able to afford to drive a Tiv is to keep this one.
BUT.... I actually love the Tam, and would be happy to live with it for a few more years. And as for the rarity value, well that's a bonus. Only about 350 to 400 made makes me a bit smug actually.
And there's always the option of a few enhancements in future. A 4.0 SP6 in the Tam sounds good news to me...
Now, looking at the proposed prices, the only way I'll be able to afford to drive a Tiv is to keep this one.
BUT.... I actually love the Tam, and would be happy to live with it for a few more years. And as for the rarity value, well that's a bonus. Only about 350 to 400 made makes me a bit smug actually.
And there's always the option of a few enhancements in future. A 4.0 SP6 in the Tam sounds good news to me...
nubbin said:
and if TVR are moving on, they will inevitably become a little more mainstream. I could be wrong, though.
That's what concerns me. I think it may have started already with the new Sagaris and the straight out the back exhaust arrangement - not as original and as striking as the Mk1.
I love my Tamora too after 2 months of ownership. It's nice to have things that are out of production in a way! Good for depreciation if the new prices are rocketing on TVRs in general. Sad that there will ne no more though!
Graham
O/T Other fantastic things I have which are out of production are: Rover 25, Linn CD12 (for sale if anyone wants one) and Caterham 1600 (k) supersport (well soon to be out of production anyway!).
Graham
O/T Other fantastic things I have which are out of production are: Rover 25, Linn CD12 (for sale if anyone wants one) and Caterham 1600 (k) supersport (well soon to be out of production anyway!).
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