Bruntingthorpe photos for "low fliers"
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Help yourselves. What a top day.
VS
>>> Edited by verysideways on Saturday 15th February 19:26
>>> Edited by verysideways on Saturday 15th February 19:26
Help yourselves. What a top day.
VS
>>> Edited by verysideways on Saturday 15th February 19:26
>>> Edited by verysideways on Saturday 15th February 19:26
Nice photos VS...as you say top day,,,very nice to put faces to the names...I know dazren is smiling now,and so is Iguana after you drove him home...I did enjoy the run in Jeremy C s' Cerbera,...raw power an amazing car (am I allowed to say that on a porsche forum)also was blown AWAY by 944/68 Turbo "S",,,,you do seem to have quit a few photos of that car on your page..can't imagine why?...did you like it??????
Fantastic day guys..sorry for rambling got home had to deck a bottle of Chablis as I am supposed to be meeting the girlie at a '70s disco night!..my worst nightmare,,,can't dance unless I am bol***sed..you know how it is....
P.S. that C4 S don't go too bad for a heavyweight with only 285 bhp.........sounds like 500 though!!!
Fantastic day guys..sorry for rambling got home had to deck a bottle of Chablis as I am supposed to be meeting the girlie at a '70s disco night!..my worst nightmare,,,can't dance unless I am bol***sed..you know how it is....
P.S. that C4 S don't go too bad for a heavyweight with only 285 bhp.........sounds like 500 though!!!
An absolutely superb day where all attendees and vehicles returned home in one piece, other than a latecomer who was at Bruntinghthorpe anyway who thought he'd do one run and show us Porschephiles how the japs do it better.
A big thanks goes out to Maurice for organising the day and his helpers who all made the day run so smoothly. I think I speak for eveyone on this Forum when I say we were glad to hear his wife is OK following the events of friday.
Also good to meet a few more PHers that I can now put faces to when I read their posts. Big thanks also goes out to JeremyC, who allowed us to have a little rerun topgear style in the Porsche v TVR shoot out.
Details of timings etc can be found on the following website:
www.titanic.co.uk/993/Bruntingthorpe/
cheers
DAZ
(Modesty in victory forbade me from being the first to post when I got in last night. Being shattered from the driving and fresh air. My mental state following England beating the French at Rugby had nothing to do with it.)
Note victory by 1mph which considering the headwind is really a draw between myself and Martin, but a victory absolute for the Porsche 996tt X50.
A big thanks goes out to Maurice for organising the day and his helpers who all made the day run so smoothly. I think I speak for eveyone on this Forum when I say we were glad to hear his wife is OK following the events of friday.
Also good to meet a few more PHers that I can now put faces to when I read their posts. Big thanks also goes out to JeremyC, who allowed us to have a little rerun topgear style in the Porsche v TVR shoot out.
Details of timings etc can be found on the following website:
www.titanic.co.uk/993/Bruntingthorpe/
cheers
DAZ
(Modesty in victory forbade me from being the first to post when I got in last night. Being shattered from the driving and fresh air. My mental state following England beating the French at Rugby had nothing to do with it.)
Note victory by 1mph which considering the headwind is really a draw between myself and Martin, but a victory absolute for the Porsche 996tt X50.
Sounds like a good day was had by all. I was gutted when I could not get out of my nightshift to attend, and even more jealous heading home in the morning southbound on the M1 only to see quite a few 993's heading North.
Couple of questions:
1. What was the runway surface like at high speed?
2. Some of the speeds seem nowhere near the published top speed of the cars, was this caused by the headwind or is two miles just not long enough to get up there? Or had you all had too much bacon that morning?
Well done guys
Couple of questions:
1. What was the runway surface like at high speed?
2. Some of the speeds seem nowhere near the published top speed of the cars, was this caused by the headwind or is two miles just not long enough to get up there? Or had you all had too much bacon that morning?
Well done guys
A great day out Maurice - thanks for superb organisation. 
Mmmm, them pesky Porkers. Still, I guess I was the fastest normally aspirated car there, and of course the best looking.....
I will return for a rematch when I work out why I wasn't faster......
I was still accelerating through the speed trap at the end of the runway. The key to getting a fast time was to be able to exit the 180 degree bend before the straight at the fastest possible speed. The 4WD cars had a definite advantage in this respect. It might have been interesting to do some times from a standing start on the runway.
And finally, this could make a fine venue for a PH summer event. Food for thought Ted.
Mmmm, them pesky Porkers. Still, I guess I was the fastest normally aspirated car there, and of course the best looking.....
I will return for a rematch when I work out why I wasn't faster...... Seemed perfect to me: smooth enough and very flat with very few stones.
It was asked:
1. What was the runway surface like at high speed?
Errr yes, yes and yes.
and:
2. Some of the speeds seem nowhere near the published top speed of the cars, was this caused by the headwind or is two miles just not long enough to get up there? Or had you all had too much bacon that morning?
I was still accelerating through the speed trap at the end of the runway. The key to getting a fast time was to be able to exit the 180 degree bend before the straight at the fastest possible speed. The 4WD cars had a definite advantage in this respect. It might have been interesting to do some times from a standing start on the runway.
And finally, this could make a fine venue for a PH summer event. Food for thought Ted.
Thanks to all Piston Heads attendees at BPG !! - I had no problems with any participant (apart from stealing FTD), and I am only sorry we didn't get an opportunity to socialise somewhat more.
My wife has recovered rather more than I had hoped, ie, enough to give me grief! As if I prefer a Dyson to a TT.......
You have to feel sorry for Mr GTR, they took all the crap really well after a very expensive sounding 1st run, hope the prognosis isn't too bad..... let me know.
Needless to say, next time, I'll have PistonHeads up there on the invites from day one; your guys saved the day, we were not going to have the numbers to proceed - so big thanks due.
Cheers, Maurice
My wife has recovered rather more than I had hoped, ie, enough to give me grief! As if I prefer a Dyson to a TT.......
You have to feel sorry for Mr GTR, they took all the crap really well after a very expensive sounding 1st run, hope the prognosis isn't too bad..... let me know.
Needless to say, next time, I'll have PistonHeads up there on the invites from day one; your guys saved the day, we were not going to have the numbers to proceed - so big thanks due.
Cheers, Maurice
Maurice,
Thanks for sorting out our late entry in the GTR.
Shame we only had a few minutes to speak to and admire all the lovely Porsches. After the 'problem' we were obviously embarrassed to require an AA tow and hence left straight away. Ah - the joys of 4 hours on an AA Transporter.
For those that didn't see it, we had started our first (and last) run in the R33 GTR. We knew something was up when it stopped accelerating at an indicated 165mph on the in-car GPS about 300m back from the timing hut. (Last time that car did similar runs it was much faster).
The problem has now been diagnosed as 2 spark plug tips somehow separating from their plugs and therefore running on only 4 cylinders. The smoke from the oil catch tank was in fact vaporised unburnt fuel evaporating from the oil. What we don't know is if there is any consequent engine damage.
Needless to say that as ex-Porsche owners we were both very embarrassed by what happened. This car had been to the Nurburgring 24hrs and back this year and did 200mph on the autobahn no problem, so to expire when we did was unfortunate. Shame it's always a £10 item that causes the problems......
Needless to say we are both seriously considering getting Porsches instead.
Guy
PS For those interested the website for one of my other GTRs (with a genuine 1000bhp) is:
www.vspec.btinternet.co.uk/Project_X.htm
Sounds like a fantastic blast!
I assume temperatures increased sufficiently? What time did the first runs commence?
Daz - I think there's little doubt about your car's uber-status (I think I'm going to need a few more horses, just in case!)
Btw - weren't there any Ultimae around?
Cheers,
An exceedingly green eyed DeR!
I assume temperatures increased sufficiently? What time did the first runs commence?
Daz - I think there's little doubt about your car's uber-status (I think I'm going to need a few more horses, just in case!
) Btw - weren't there any Ultimae around?
Cheers,
An exceedingly green eyed DeR!
Derestrictor..I think you are going to need a few horses to make a diffrenece on this kind of run.
i was fortunate enough to have been a passenger in a few runs in both 996 TT,993 TT & 993 Turbo S..
The thing is due to the angle on the screen & rain guttering on the 993 you really can hear wind roar about 150mph and above.The 996 is a lot quieter at these speeds.
I was suprised to see the 10mph spread between fastest 993 & 996 but mostly put it down to aerodynamics & the fact that Dazren was certainly up for it!
i was fortunate enough to have been a passenger in a few runs in both 996 TT,993 TT & 993 Turbo S..
The thing is due to the angle on the screen & rain guttering on the 993 you really can hear wind roar about 150mph and above.The 996 is a lot quieter at these speeds.
I was suprised to see the 10mph spread between fastest 993 & 996 but mostly put it down to aerodynamics & the fact that Dazren was certainly up for it!
Paul - what you say makes eminent sense. Indeed, talking to one or two of the raccing bods at Tech9 in the past, the general feeling was that 993s needed over a monkey's worth of hoofology to guarantee post 200 speeds, conditions notwithstanding.
How 'close' did/didn't things feel between, say the 993ttS & the X-packer, ito acceleration/at various points during acceleration?
And was the 993tts a 430 or a 450 job?
It all sounds very 'Diablo v. Vantage' whereby aredynamics eventually come into play...
Bloody superb!
How 'close' did/didn't things feel between, say the 993ttS & the X-packer, ito acceleration/at various points during acceleration?
And was the 993tts a 430 or a 450 job?
It all sounds very 'Diablo v. Vantage' whereby aredynamics eventually come into play...
Bloody superb!
The 993 TT s was 450 bhp...It felt faster than the 996 due mainly to the noise...to be honest factor in the fantastic Cerbera 450 & you would never be able to guess timed speeds to within 10 mph for the top 5 cars.
For some of us who were very fortunate & grateful to be passengers,jumping into such amazing cars in succesion was such an education.
For some of us who were very fortunate & grateful to be passengers,jumping into such amazing cars in succesion was such an education.
Did anything get orf the line particularly quick?
It sounds very even Stevens, in a real world sense; makes me wonder about the relative effectiveness of ALL the contenders in various A/B/m-way contexts.
Also makes me wonder just how the aforementioned Ultimae and indeed, Noble would have got on?
I just love all this talk about raw speed - and sharing such looning with you nutters!
YYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!
It sounds very even Stevens, in a real world sense; makes me wonder about the relative effectiveness of ALL the contenders in various A/B/m-way contexts.
Also makes me wonder just how the aforementioned Ultimae and indeed, Noble would have got on?
I just love all this talk about raw speed - and sharing such looning with you nutters!
YYYYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!!
Jeremy,all of the turbos there on saturday were 4wd.
4wd came in with the 993 TT in 1995.
Prior to that all the factory turbos were 2wd.
993 TT bhp
standard = 408
turbo s = 430 or 450
The 430 upgrade was available on regular turbo for 1998 model year.
996 TT bhp
standard = 420
X-pack = 450
In terms of weight both 993 & 996TT come in just above 1500kg
I understand all 3 996 TT were X pack on Saturday.
many thanks for the Ride in your Cerbera on saturday.that was my first ride in TVR s finest and won't be forgotten....If only the straight was a little longer ??
>> Edited by clubsport on Monday 17th February 10:12
4wd came in with the 993 TT in 1995.
Prior to that all the factory turbos were 2wd.
993 TT bhp
standard = 408
turbo s = 430 or 450
The 430 upgrade was available on regular turbo for 1998 model year.
996 TT bhp
standard = 420
X-pack = 450
In terms of weight both 993 & 996TT come in just above 1500kg
I understand all 3 996 TT were X pack on Saturday.
many thanks for the Ride in your Cerbera on saturday.that was my first ride in TVR s finest and won't be forgotten....If only the straight was a little longer ??
>> Edited by clubsport on Monday 17th February 10:12
I too would like to say thanks very much, to Maurice for organising, to JeremyC for an exhilarating passenger ride in the Cerbie 4.5 and last but very far from least to 944/68 (Paul).
Paul's Turbo S (the yellow one in my pics) was a quite unbelievable car for me.
Being a total "air cooled 911" junkie i have two ultimate dream cars:
993 GT2 for a toy
993 Turbo S for a "real world" performer.
Realistically i'll be able to afford a 993TT, and i'll be knocking on DeR's door to get some help and advice re:mods when the time comes.
I test drove a Noble just a week ago but it just doesn't float my boat quite like the air-cooled twin-turbo hooligan.
VS
Paul's Turbo S (the yellow one in my pics) was a quite unbelievable car for me.
Being a total "air cooled 911" junkie i have two ultimate dream cars:
993 GT2 for a toy
993 Turbo S for a "real world" performer.
Realistically i'll be able to afford a 993TT, and i'll be knocking on DeR's door to get some help and advice re:mods when the time comes.
I test drove a Noble just a week ago but it just doesn't float my boat quite like the air-cooled twin-turbo hooligan.
VS
Good morning gents.
GuyR - Glad your car isn't as serious as I initially heard. Someone in the carpark mentioned a blown pistonwall. Hope the repairs aren't too costly.
DeR - The car is definitely Uber status apart from the passenger mirror that had a bit of trim dangling at the end of each run (and before getting to the starting line for that matter). No Ultimas as Guy hasn't had the time to finish his winter mods program (bloody work getting in the way of Ultima developement time! PAH!! it's pathetic, sort your priorities out man!!).
Clubsport - The issue of the difference in top speed between the two 996 turbo X50s and the 993 turbo S as you rightly say is partly down to aerodynamics. Also having spoken to Paul (turbo S owner) his car is geared in sixth to redline at 215mph. The 996 turbo X50 is geared to do 195 mph in sixth at the redline. I guess the longer sixth gear in the earlier car is another significant reason for the difference in speeds measured on the day. Iguana did comment that some of our American Porschephiles have been known to put a shorter sixth gear in the gearbox to get around this characteristic. I use the term characteristic as I don't see it as a problem, especially when it allows for putting less stress on the engine when cruising down the autobahns at 190+. It also allows for power mods without having to change the final gear ratio.
Clubsport - The grey 996tt had the tiptronic box and I don't believe it was an X50 hence the difference in measured top speeds.
DAZ
GuyR - Glad your car isn't as serious as I initially heard. Someone in the carpark mentioned a blown pistonwall. Hope the repairs aren't too costly.
DeR - The car is definitely Uber status apart from the passenger mirror that had a bit of trim dangling at the end of each run (and before getting to the starting line for that matter). No Ultimas as Guy hasn't had the time to finish his winter mods program (bloody work getting in the way of Ultima developement time! PAH!! it's pathetic, sort your priorities out man!!).
Clubsport - The issue of the difference in top speed between the two 996 turbo X50s and the 993 turbo S as you rightly say is partly down to aerodynamics. Also having spoken to Paul (turbo S owner) his car is geared in sixth to redline at 215mph. The 996 turbo X50 is geared to do 195 mph in sixth at the redline. I guess the longer sixth gear in the earlier car is another significant reason for the difference in speeds measured on the day. Iguana did comment that some of our American Porschephiles have been known to put a shorter sixth gear in the gearbox to get around this characteristic. I use the term characteristic as I don't see it as a problem, especially when it allows for putting less stress on the engine when cruising down the autobahns at 190+. It also allows for power mods without having to change the final gear ratio.
Clubsport - The grey 996tt had the tiptronic box and I don't believe it was an X50 hence the difference in measured top speeds.
DAZ
Dazren - That's right my Slate Grey 996TT is standard 420hp, hence the speed difference in the limited space available. Was surprised that the 993 Turbo 4S didn't go faster than me given the HP diff, I suppose that's down to aerodynamics.
Maurice - thanks for organising a memorable day.
Maurice - thanks for organising a memorable day.
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