British F1 Winner
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Apparently.....according to Bloomberg, there have been 18 F1 winners who are British, I've been killing myself all day trying to rake them up ?
1. Button
2. Coulthard
3. Hill, Damon
4. Hill, Graham
5. Mansell
6. Irvine ?
7. Herbert
8. Hunt
9. Moss
10. Stewart
11. Clark
12. Surtees
13. Hawthorn
That leaves five, I guess they are from the 50's or 60's when I wasn't around, and F1 might have been interesting !!
Brundle, Blundell, Bailey, Donnelly, Palmer, Dumfries ? I don't think they one anything ? If it had been pie eating, I guess Blundell might have been in with a shout ?
1. Button
2. Coulthard
3. Hill, Damon
4. Hill, Graham
5. Mansell
6. Irvine ?
7. Herbert
8. Hunt
9. Moss
10. Stewart
11. Clark
12. Surtees
13. Hawthorn
That leaves five, I guess they are from the 50's or 60's when I wasn't around, and F1 might have been interesting !!
Brundle, Blundell, Bailey, Donnelly, Palmer, Dumfries ? I don't think they one anything ? If it had been pie eating, I guess Blundell might have been in with a shout ?
Mr Beckerman said:
hillfootsbadger said:
Thanks guys, I can sleep easily tonight !
I'd never heard of a handful.....Peter Gethin ? No idea
I'd never heard of a handful.....Peter Gethin ? No idea
Winner of the 1971 Monza Grand prix which was the fastest ever Grand Prix and the closest ever finish.
Until the fasted GP record was broken a couple of years ago.
hillfootsbadger said:
6. Irvine ?
It's a surprise to me to find that Irvine was indeed born in the UK - but he's not British and I suspect that's the way he sees it (although I've never heard his thoughts on the matter).Eddie Irvine is "British" in that he was born and brought up in Northern Ireland and is therefore from the UK. Technically, Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom but not Britain. Northern Ireland citizens are automatically entitled to British passports but the Republic of ireland will give an Irish passport to any Northern Ireland citizen who wants one.
John Watson is also from Northern Ireland, of course,
(Innes Ireland was Scottish - it gets very confusing, doesn't it).
That list of British Grand Prix Winners obviously only includes World Championship points scoring GPs. If pre World Championship Grand prix winners are included, then Richard Seaman, Sir Henry Seagrave and William Grover Williams should also be added to the list.
John Watson is also from Northern Ireland, of course,
(Innes Ireland was Scottish - it gets very confusing, doesn't it).
That list of British Grand Prix Winners obviously only includes World Championship points scoring GPs. If pre World Championship Grand prix winners are included, then Richard Seaman, Sir Henry Seagrave and William Grover Williams should also be added to the list.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th August 23:56
V8 Archie said:
hillfootsbadger said:
6. Irvine ?
It's a surprise to me to find that Irvine was indeed born in the UK - but he's not British and I suspect that's the way he sees it (although I've never heard his thoughts on the matter).a long time ago, in autosport after the Hockenheim f3000 race in 1990, a person wrote in to autosport to complain about the mag referring to irvine as british. the mag checked with irvine - who at the time - confirmed that he was british - however as soon as he got famous in f1, he ditched GB nationality and became Irish.
Looks like he used his GB passport as a flag of convenience in order to help his career.
Professional sportsmen are often happy to hop nationalities to further their careers.
Barry MvGuigan was born and bred in the Irish Republic (Co Monagahan) and won an Olympic Medal boxing for Ireland. When he turned professional, he changed nationality so that he could be billed as a British boxer - much more potential to earn from TV rights etc.
Barry MvGuigan was born and bred in the Irish Republic (Co Monagahan) and won an Olympic Medal boxing for Ireland. When he turned professional, he changed nationality so that he could be billed as a British boxer - much more potential to earn from TV rights etc.
stockhatcher said:
[quote=V8 Archie
a long time ago, in autosport after the Hockenheim f3000 race in 1990, a person wrote in to autosport to complain about the mag referring to irvine as british. the mag checked with irvine - who at the time - confirmed that he was british - however as soon as he got famous in f1, he ditched GB nationality and became Irish.
Looks like he used his GB passport as a flag of convenience in order to help his career.
a long time ago, in autosport after the Hockenheim f3000 race in 1990, a person wrote in to autosport to complain about the mag referring to irvine as british. the mag checked with irvine - who at the time - confirmed that he was british - however as soon as he got famous in f1, he ditched GB nationality and became Irish.
Looks like he used his GB passport as a flag of convenience in order to help his career.
As far as F1 is concerned Eddie did not become Irish. He was still racing as a British driver in his final year in F1, 2002.
Don't forget that for the years 1952 and 1953, the World Championship wa run under Formula 2 rules. The World Championship was never intended to be an F1 only championship. When there were not enough F1 cars available, F2 and sometimes even sports cars, were allowed into a race. In 1952 and 1953 there were only two viable F1 teams available so the decision was taken to run the next two seasons under the F2 regs.
The only British driver to win a GP in the 1952/53 period was Mike Hawthorn.
A new F1 set of rules came into being in 1954 and the WDC has been F1 only since then (not, of course, counting the years that the Indianapolis 500 counted as a round of the WDC).
The only British driver to win a GP in the 1952/53 period was Mike Hawthorn.
A new F1 set of rules came into being in 1954 and the WDC has been F1 only since then (not, of course, counting the years that the Indianapolis 500 counted as a round of the WDC).
Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 10th August 11:59
hillfootsbadger said:
Apparently.....according to Bloomberg, there have been 18 F1 winners who are British, I've been killing myself all day trying to rake them up ?
1. Button
2. Coulthard
3. Hill, Damon
4. Hill, Graham
5. Mansell
6. Irvine ?
7. Herbert
8. Hunt
9. Moss
10. Stewart
11. Clark
12. Surtees
13. Hawthorn
That leaves five, I guess they are from the 50's or 60's when I wasn't around, and F1 might have been interesting !!
Brundle, Blundell, Bailey, Donnelly, Palmer, Dumfries ? I don't think they one anything ? If it had been pie eating, I guess Blundell might have been in with a shout ?
1. Button
2. Coulthard
3. Hill, Damon
4. Hill, Graham
5. Mansell
6. Irvine ?
7. Herbert
8. Hunt
9. Moss
10. Stewart
11. Clark
12. Surtees
13. Hawthorn
That leaves five, I guess they are from the 50's or 60's when I wasn't around, and F1 might have been interesting !!
Brundle, Blundell, Bailey, Donnelly, Palmer, Dumfries ? I don't think they one anything ? If it had been pie eating, I guess Blundell might have been in with a shout ?
I don't believe Graham Hill ever won the British G/P
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