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Does anyone know where i can find a video or two to demonstrate the heel and toe to a friend, who's fairly new to this lark and needs some pointers. The "...well you just roll your foot onto the acellerator pedal when you downshift" line while demostrating wiggling my right foot doesn't really descripe it well enough...
Regards
Iain
Regards
Iain
Sorry that I cannot suggest a link.
If your friend is going to try it, make sure that he experiments in a safe place - whilst parked up is a good place to start.
Also, the car needs to appropriate. If the pedal positions aren't right, or if the brakes are over-servo'ed, heel-and-toe can be difficult even for people who are normally good at it.
If your friend is going to try it, make sure that he experiments in a safe place - whilst parked up is a good place to start.
Also, the car needs to appropriate. If the pedal positions aren't right, or if the brakes are over-servo'ed, heel-and-toe can be difficult even for people who are normally good at it.
gmacd51 said:
The guy with the feet seems to have a habit of not only resting his foot on the clutch, but actually partly depressing it when not changing gear. 'Wouldn't have him driving my car.
Or this...
www.spdusa.com/heel&toe.htm
Or this...
www.teammiata.com/libs/heel-toe.htm
Note also that there are two different techniques depending on pedal spacing and personal preference ie some blip the throttle with the heel, while others (with size 10 boots!)use the left hand side of the ball of the foot on the brake, and blip the throttle with the right hand side of the ball by rolling the foot.
www.spdusa.com/heel&toe.htm
Or this...
www.teammiata.com/libs/heel-toe.htm
Note also that there are two different techniques depending on pedal spacing and personal preference ie some blip the throttle with the heel, while others (with size 10 boots!)use the left hand side of the ball of the foot on the brake, and blip the throttle with the right hand side of the ball by rolling the foot.
rick.e said:
gmacd51 said:
The guy with the feet seems to have a habit of not only resting his foot on the clutch, but actually partly depressing it when not changing gear. 'Wouldn't have him driving my car.
The guy in question, Michael Vergers, is is unbelievably quick - I was in a Radical with him round Brands GP last year with Fast Club - awesome. Maybe he's using the clutch slip to help out of slower corners? - even if not, he can drive my car anytime :-)
There are three parts to it imo.
1) theory, explain the purpose of doing it
2) find a comfortable way of blipping the throttle while applying the brakes, you can do this while you're parked, it'll feel awkward at first
3) practice and learn how to blip the throttle by the necessary amount under a range of conditions
While learning, make sure you are prepared to get it wrong, don't go piling into corners and end up in a heap.
1) theory, explain the purpose of doing it
2) find a comfortable way of blipping the throttle while applying the brakes, you can do this while you're parked, it'll feel awkward at first
3) practice and learn how to blip the throttle by the necessary amount under a range of conditions
While learning, make sure you are prepared to get it wrong, don't go piling into corners and end up in a heap.
Obi wan said:
What happens if you blip the throtle too much on a downshift?
Its fairly safe (in moderation), it just means the driven wheels get a momentary drive. For a rwd car this improves the stability momentarily. For a fwd it makes relatively little difference.
Getting it wrong the other way (not enough of a blip) has the opposite effect and applies clutch braking to the driven wheels, which would promote a rear wheel lockup under braking in a rwd car. Basically what you're trying to avoid.
rick.e said:
Or this...
www.spdusa.com/heel&toe.htm
Or this...
www.teammiata.com/libs/heel-toe.htm
Note also that there are two different techniques depending on pedal spacing and personal preference ie some blip the throttle with the heel, while others (with size 10 boots!)use the left hand side of the ball of the foot on the brake, and blip the throttle with the right hand side of the ball by rolling the foot.
www.spdusa.com/heel&toe.htm
Or this...
www.teammiata.com/libs/heel-toe.htm
Note also that there are two different techniques depending on pedal spacing and personal preference ie some blip the throttle with the heel, while others (with size 10 boots!)use the left hand side of the ball of the foot on the brake, and blip the throttle with the right hand side of the ball by rolling the foot.
It is really dependant on the car, in the VX I can put my right foot across the brake and accelerator and just roll my foot tp blip the throttlw easily and I have size 7 feet.
GreenV8S said:
Obi wan said:
What happens if you blip the throtle too much on a downshift?
Its fairly safe (in moderation), it just means the driven wheels get a momentary drive. For a rwd car this improves the stability momentarily. For a fwd it makes relatively little difference.
Getting it wrong the other way (not enough of a blip) has the opposite effect and applies clutch braking to the driven wheels, which would promote a rear wheel lockup under braking in a rwd car. Basically what you're trying to avoid.
If you over did the blip would you damage anything?
It so depends on the car I guess. Dakkon said:
It is really dependant on the car, in the VX I can put my right foot across the brake and accelerator and just roll my foot tp blip the throttlw easily and I have size 7 feet.
I'm still trying to get the technique for the VX, the pedals are spaced perfectly side-to-side, but I find the accelerator is a bit too high up when the brake pedal is pressed in. I don't think the slightly dull throttle response of the VXT helps either.
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