F1 at Laguna Seca
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megy

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2,429 posts

241 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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And who wouldnt want to see an F1 car negotiating the corkscrew at Laguna Seca, 22 would be better.

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killer2005

20,556 posts

255 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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megy said:
And who wouldnt want to see an F1 car negotiating the corkscrew at Laguna Seca, 22 would be better.

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Dont think a full race would happen, there still needs to be a lot of safety work for the superbikes never mind F1 cars

FourWheelDrift

92,134 posts

311 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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Nowhere for F1's to overtake either. The slow last corner onto the start/finish straight followed by the turn 1 hairpin corner would be the only place but I don't think the straight is long enough and the first car to accelerate out of the last corner will get a good advantage down the straight.




Road America however, they could really stretch their legs there.

LongQ

13,864 posts

260 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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killer2005 said:
megy said:
And who wouldnt want to see an F1 car negotiating the corkscrew at Laguna Seca, 22 would be better.

www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=127354


Dont think a full race would happen, there still needs to be a lot of safety work for the superbikes never mind F1 cars


Well, once Max has slowed them down that shouldn't be a problem ...

anonymous-user

81 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere for F1's to overtake either.


doesnt seem to be a problem at most of the circuits F1 visits!

racefan_uk

2,935 posts

283 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere for F1's to overtake either. The slow last corner onto the start/finish straight followed by the turn 1 hairpin corner would be the only place but I don't think the straight is long enough and the first car to accelerate out of the last corner will get a good advantage down the straight.


Didn't the last race in Hungary show that the 'nowehere to overtake' line was utter bollox?

They were passing each other everywhere, the drivers just need to have their balls attached when they leave the pit-lane before the start if the race.
Every race track has places to overtake, they wouldn't be racetracks if they didn't. Its down to the drivers to pull off the passes, not the track designers.

anonymous-user

81 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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racefan_uk said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere for F1's to overtake either. The slow last corner onto the start/finish straight followed by the turn 1 hairpin corner would be the only place but I don't think the straight is long enough and the first car to accelerate out of the last corner will get a good advantage down the straight.


Didn't the last race in Hungary show that the 'nowehere to overtake' line was utter bollox?

They were passing each other everywhere, the drivers just need to have their balls attached when they leave the pit-lane before the start if the race.
Every race track has places to overtake, they wouldn't be racetracks if they didn't. Its down to the drivers to pull off the passes, not the track designers.


no the last race showed that give a driver something to prove, put two contenders in the middle of the grid, throw in some changeable weather and eventually even at a circuit reknowned for its lack of overtaking, something will happen...

i go back to a race in canada a few years ago where teh top four were covered by about two seconds with about eight laps to go, what happened, nothing....... and autosport had the guts to make a huge play of the fact that they were so close at the finish....

team underdog

938 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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Was watching Nascar at Watkins Glen last night and whilst I am not normally a fan of the series, they were pretty entertaining on what is a pretty good "old school" circuit. F1 at the Glen would be awesome, but lets face it the most likely choice for another F1 venue in the US has to be Long Beach, or Las Vegas!

stockhatcher

5,135 posts

250 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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pablo said:
racefan_uk said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere for F1's to overtake either. The slow last corner onto the start/finish straight followed by the turn 1 hairpin corner would be the only place but I don't think the straight is long enough and the first car to accelerate out of the last corner will get a good advantage down the straight.


Didn't the last race in Hungary show that the 'nowehere to overtake' line was utter bollox?

They were passing each other everywhere, the drivers just need to have their balls attached when they leave the pit-lane before the start if the race.
Every race track has places to overtake, they wouldn't be racetracks if they didn't. Its down to the drivers to pull off the passes, not the track designers.


no the last race showed that give a driver something to prove, put two contenders in the middle of the grid, throw in some changeable weather and eventually even at a circuit reknowned for its lack of overtaking, something will happen...

i go back to a race in canada a few years ago where teh top four were covered by about two seconds with about eight laps to go, what happened, nothing....... and autosport had the guts to make a huge play of the fact that they were so close at the finish....




the problem most of the time is that the drivers tend to err on the side of caution because

either

a) they need the points
b) they don't want to crash the car
c) they don't want a reputation as a crasher
d) the team manager tells them 'if they bend it one more time they're out..'

if you want overtaking in f1, you have to incentivise the teams to encourage it, forget engine rules and other concorde agreement bollox, pay the teams £100k for every over- taking manouvre they make on a car other than their team mate. that'll get people racing.

additonally to appease ron d - pay the team 10k for every lap they remain in the lead

Edited by stockhatcher on Wednesday 16th August 20:22


Edited by stockhatcher on Wednesday 16th August 20:26

FourWheelDrift

92,134 posts

311 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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racefan_uk said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere for F1's to overtake either. The slow last corner onto the start/finish straight followed by the turn 1 hairpin corner would be the only place but I don't think the straight is long enough and the first car to accelerate out of the last corner will get a good advantage down the straight.


Didn't the last race in Hungary show that the 'nowehere to overtake' line was utter bollox?


As already mentioned a wet track alters things, cars with different setups, tyres and fuel. If the Hungaroring was dry it would have been a very different race.

Andy Mac

73,668 posts

282 months

Wednesday 16th August 2006
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I wish they'd go to watkins glen! It's only a little distance from my gaff!

rubystone

11,254 posts

286 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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I'd love to see them race there, but after the sad and untimely death of "Gonzo" Rodriguez there some years ago, I can't see that happening. Remind me, did Gonzo die the year that we also lost Greg Moore?...both died far too young and I'm sure would have had successful F1 careers.

JonRB

79,891 posts

299 months

Thursday 17th August 2006
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I seem to recall that the F1 rules stipulate the maximum incline and height change a circuit can have.

Laguna Seca therefore wouldn't be eligable to host a GP.

Edited by JonRB on Thursday 17th August 13:40

LaSarthe&Back

2,084 posts

240 months

Friday 18th August 2006
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It'd be pretty close with Spa don't you think?

combemarshal

2,030 posts

253 months

Friday 18th August 2006
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If A1 and Champ car can race there so can F1, And they manage to over take in bigger (Champ car) and less powerfull (both) cars then so can F1 cars.

And yeah, Nascar at Watkins Glenn was bloody great!

JonRB

79,891 posts

299 months

Saturday 19th August 2006
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combemarshal said:
If A1 and Champ car can race there so can F1, And they manage to over take in bigger (Champ car) and less powerfull (both) cars then so can F1 cars.
That's not the point. The rules specify the maximum incline and altitude change, so you'd have to change the F1 rules. And those rules are there for a reason - to make F1 circuits more boring. evil hehe

team underdog

938 posts

256 months

Saturday 19th August 2006
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Zonta set a new lap record on his second flying lap...

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