RE: New V8 for Range Rover Sport

RE: New V8 for Range Rover Sport

Wednesday 23rd August 2006

New V8 for Range Rover Sport

Diesel motor delivers more including mpg


Range Rover Sport
Range Rover Sport
It's a diesel day today, as Land Rover drops a new V8 diesel motor into the Range Rover Sport, completing the vehicle's launch phase.

Since its debut in 2005, Land Rover's most performance-oriented vehicle yet -- dubbed a 'sports tourer' by the company -- has been in high demand, leading to waiting lists in many markets. With reasonably quick performance and fuel economy of 25.5 mpg on combined fuel cycle, the new TDV8 should extend the Sport's appeal.

The TDV8 engine has been designed to power both the standard Range Rover and Sport  models, and it was first seen earlier this year in the Range Rover. For the Sport variant, the engine calibration, installation and applications have been developed to deliver a more sporting driving experience.

The introduction of the TDV8 engine at 2007 model year is accompanied by detailed specification upgrades and improvements across the Range Rover Sport line-up. The existing three engine options are still available: TDV6, V8 petrol and V8 supercharged.

Performance

The TDV8 engine is lightweight, strong and designed to accommodate Land Rover's off-road demands -- it provides huge reserves of torque across the rev range. Peak power from the TDV8 engine is 268bhp, 42 per cent higher than the existing V6 diesel. The new vehicle reaches 60 mph in 8.6 seconds, while top speed is electronically limited to 130 mph.

The TDV8's flattish torque curve peaks on 472lb-ft, 45 per cent higher than the TDV6, and is available from 2,000 rpm to 2,500 rpm. With more than 369lb-ft of torque available from under 1,500 rpm to over 3,700 rpm, in CommandShift manual transmission mode, the new derivative takes 6.8 seconds to accelerate from 50 to 70 mph in fifth gear -- which is reasonable given the bulk that's being hurried along.

Technology

Each cylinder bank is fed by a dedicated variable-geometry turbocharger via separate, high-capacity intercoolers to help achieve the engine's throttle responses.

Twin fuel-coolers help reduce temperatures in the engine's high-pressure fuel circuit, where the camshaft-driven fuel pump supplies the piezoelectric injectors with diesel fuel at pressures of up to 1700 bar. An intake port deactivation system helps optimise combustion chamber swirl for greater efficiency and cleaner combustion.

Land Rover's patented turbo oil-scavenging system works in conjunction with specially developed sealing and intake systems to help ensure that the engine can withstand the vehicle's 700mm wading capability and off-road operating-angle requirements.

Objectives

A key objective for the TDV8 engine was refinement. Combustion control, a stiff engine structure and tuned acoustic covers for both the engine and fuel-injection system all help make the TDV8 one of the world's quietest large diesels, reckons Land Rover. At idle, vibrations are on a par with those of many V8 petrol engines thanks to electronically controlled, switchable-rate hydraulic engine mounts.

Very low levels of base-engine noise have allowed Land Rover engineers to tune the exhaust system to emphasise the TDV8's sporting burble; the result is an appealing soundtrack for a big diesel. Love that rattle!

Transmission

The TDV8 engine is mated to Range Rover Sport's full-time 4x4 driveline. Electronic control continuously adapts the change characteristics of the ZF six-speed automatic transmission to the prevailing driving style. The CommandShift mode also provides manual gearchange when required.

Land Rover's Positive Torque system is standard on all TDV8 derivatives, providing faster downshifts by automatically blipping the throttle to match engine and road-speeds.

When not locked, the four-wheel-drive system's electronic centre differential continuously adjusts the front-to-rear torque split to help optimise traction, whatever the surface. The two-speed shift-on-the-fly transfer box incorporates a low-range reduction gear, designed to help achieve Range Rover Sport's class-leading standards of off-road gradeability and control.

Chassis

TDV8 derivatives share the independent, double wishbone airsprung suspension system of other Range Rover Sport models and are available with either 19-inch alloy wheels with 255/50 tyres or 20-inch alloys with 275/40 tyres.

Like the V8 supercharged derivative, Range Rover Sport's Dynamic Response system is standard equipment on the TDV8. The system's electronically controlled hydraulic actuators continually adjust Range Rover Sport's roll stiffness in response to cornering forces, providing body control without the ride penalties associated with conventional roll bars.

The TDV8 shares its braking system with the Sport Supercharged too, with four-piston Brembo front brake callipers and 360 mm front discs helping to achieve consistent stopping power.

Other changes

The TDV8's bright, Titan-finish grille and side vents are performance cues shared with the V8 supercharged derivative. New 18-inch and 19-inch lightweight alloy wheels are available on both the TDV6 and V8 naturally aspirated petrol derivatives, saving around 10 kg per vehicle.

Detail changes include the cabin, with an optional new hybrid TV unit which offers better analogue TV reception, and can process digital TV signals. A metallic finish is now applied to several controls to improve tactility, joined by clearer instrument graphics and an additional instrument pack clock.

Other enhancements to specific derivatives include stowage pouches on leather driver seats, enhanced navigation functionality, lane-change indicator functionality (providing a three-flash lane-change signal in response to a single touch), an electric tailgate latch (for automatic closing once lowered) and the optional, fully electronic Tyre Pressure Monitoring System which keeps an accurate watch on temperature-corrected tyre pressure within each road wheel.

“The new TDV8 engine is a tremendous achievement, with performance, outstanding refinement and exceptional efficiency. It extends choice still further for our customers, and we expect it to help maintain the vehicle's outstanding sales success,” said company boss Phil Popham.

Chief programme engineer Stuart Frith said: “The TDV8 engine is the company's fastest diesel to date and marries Range Rover Sport's unique blend of dynamic handling and off-road ability with an unprecedented combination of powerful performance and diesel efficiency.”

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Discussion

merlot

Original Poster:

1,485 posts

255 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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But I want it in the Disco3!

FestivAli

1,092 posts

240 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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merlot said:
But I want it in the Disco3!


Indeed.

psimpson7

1,071 posts

243 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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I want it in a defender 90!

housemaster

2,076 posts

229 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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I want it in an A35....

tumbleweed

hugh_

3,554 posts

243 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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The article said:
At idle, vibrations are on a par with those of many V8 petrol engines thanks to electronically controlled, switchable-rate hydraulic engine mounts.


Surely putting unnecessary stuff like this on is just going to make them completely un-economical to run in 10 years time when everything starts breaking. Surely the only reason to have a diesel is because its cheap to run; the extra service cost when this lot goes wrong just defies the point of having a diesel in the first place!

///M-power

722 posts

229 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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Bah humbug.

Wonder what DMS will be able to do with this. I've been waiting for a 4x4 with decent performance and half decent mpg to replace my X5 3.0d.

Off topic, I wonder if the 3.5 diesel from the 5 series will make it into the next gen. X5 or even a twin turbo 4.0 litre!

Diesel power with bags of torquey grunt is definitely the way forward for these big cars and I love the effortless mile munching I get from mine, 575nm helps of course.

I'd find it hard to go back to petrol saloon car motoring, unless of course red Ken gets his way and anything bigger than a fiat 500 making less than 100mpg is taxed a kings ransom for the pleasure of driving around this "free" nation of ours!

plfrench

2,449 posts

270 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2006
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The Diesel from the 535d is a 3 litre... But with twin rather than single turbos.

I think it's great that Range Rover can be a bit more competitive with their engine offerings... They should see if they can cram it in the Jag XJ as that would help sales I'm sure.

Paul.

dapearson

4,415 posts

226 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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article said:
New 18-inch and 19-inch lightweight alloy wheels are available on both the TDV6 and V8 naturally aspirated petrol derivatives, saving around 10 kg per vehicle.


Anyone who goes for this option is very confused indeed.

Nice tow car though.


Edited by dapearson on Thursday 24th August 09:19

richards 7

124 posts

216 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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dapearson said:
article said:
New 18-inch and 19-inch lightweight alloy wheels are available on both the TDV6 and V8 naturally aspirated petrol derivatives, saving around 10 kg per vehicle.


Anyone who goes for this option is very confused indeed.

Nice tow car though.


Edited by dapearson on Thursday 24th August 09:19


Quite.................. saving 10 Kg in a 2500Kg car ?? The driver should eat less !! or just fill the tank to 90 litres instead of 100. !0 Kg on an Atom or Caterham would be completely different though. Nice try Land Rover, get it fitted across the range !!

BLUETHUNDER

7,881 posts

262 months

Thursday 24th August 2006
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All seems way to complicated for me.You will have to get rid of them after the warranty runs out just in case anything goes wrong and your faced with a huge bill.

ianf

108 posts

285 months

Friday 25th August 2006
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I have just bought a Range Rover Sport with the TD6 Engine and I am really impressed with it. Considering how much it weighs it feels really quick and I am averaging 28mpg. Would love to try the V8. As for the cost after Warranty I also have a TVR Tuscan...... now that is expensive to service and has nothing in it?

As for the RR Sport I like the car so much that in the 4 weeks I have had it I have only used my Tuscan once... Mind you when I did it scared me to death!!

robbie_toys

13,400 posts

223 months

Friday 25th August 2006
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ianf said:
I have just bought a Range Rover Sport with the TD6 Engine and I am really impressed with it. Considering how much it weighs it feels really quick and I am averaging 28mpg. Would love to try the V8. As for the cost after Warranty I also have a TVR Tuscan...... now that is expensive to service and has nothing in it?

As for the RR Sport I like the car so much that in the 4 weeks I have had it I have only used my Tuscan once... Mind you when I did it scared me to death!!


Hmmm I don't think I'd go as far as to say the V6 diesel feels quick!

Now with a little engine tweaking & setting the terrain response to sand, well the pull away from the lights is a little better!

Jools C

2 posts

214 months

Friday 25th August 2006
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Having just sold a RR Sport TD6 that was one of the very first batch on the road; May 05...I’d be hard pushed to do it all again. That was our second RR; the first being a 96 model 4.6 HSE that we sold in 98 once the 2 year warranty had ran out! For good reason I may add. I swore then I would not have another. Then came along the RR Sport...

The had the car for 15 months and it was in the garage 8 times spanning over 6 weeks off the road with electrical problems relating to seat belts and air bags, etc, continuous gear box problems where you would get a big F on the display and only have 3 out of 6 gears available, and then there was the continuous air suspension problems which led to us having two new compressors fitted at different times. The car was flat bedded away 3 times out of the 8 visits to the garage.

Loved the car, the looks the safety, etc, but couldn’t live with the hassles. Soon got fed up on the free complementary boxes of wine that Land Rover seemed to be always sending us; to drown our sorrows I guess...and sold it last month with 15K on the clock for 3 grand that less than I paid for it 15 months ago. At this point the front steering rack was on the way out and that was blamed on the 22" rims we had on it. That was the last straw for me. The previous Merc we were running never missed a beat. Wife now in an new Audi S4, 4.2 V8 and all is just fine with that motor.

Regarding the RR Sport drive it was very very smooth regarding gear changes, but not a high performer by any standard. It could get of the mark quickly at junctions and the like, but ran out of steam in the mid range and take it off flat roads, and then you were soon reminded you were hauling around over 2.5 tonnes of bulk. Over taking on A & B roads was not fun; it lacked something there. It was good on the corners with the 295/30/22’s toyos we had on it, and I used to love giving hot hatches a fright in it on the back roads once you had the thing would up a little. Like any diesel, you had to keep the revs on it. We never got any more that 19 MPG return from the car, my wife did lots of short trips; 4 or 5 miles and back homes or +/- 20 miles into Aberdeen and with the aforementioned hills; very best we got on a long run was 24.5 mpg sitting at +/- 80 mph and that was over 400 miles.

Apparently the later models have had all kinds of software upgrades to prevent the hassles we have had....don’t buy an early one.
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