Sex Discrimination
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A civil servant claims he is a victim of sexual discrimination because he has to wear a collar and tie to work.
Matthew Thompson, who works at the Jobcentre Plus office in Stockport, Greater Manchester, has complained that women are allowed to wear T-shirts, but men have to wear formal clothes.
Full story here
The chap has my support.
What do you think?
Matthew Thompson, who works at the Jobcentre Plus office in Stockport, Greater Manchester, has complained that women are allowed to wear T-shirts, but men have to wear formal clothes.
Full story here
The chap has my support.
What do you think?
He should put his flute & pie on and stop being such a blouse of le grande fille variety.
If he doesn't like it then let him seek sustenance elsewhere.
Jesus, can you imagine how people like this would have got on facing the Nazi blitzkreig at Bastogne in 1944?
Blighty on the wane; well done, oh tiny brained one.
If he doesn't like it then let him seek sustenance elsewhere.
Jesus, can you imagine how people like this would have got on facing the Nazi blitzkreig at Bastogne in 1944?
Blighty on the wane; well done, oh tiny brained one.
Working on the theory that 'equality' means equal he has my full support. Its about time that the people who make rules such as these see that things can be sexist even if its not a woman being discriminated against.
I would take similar action myself - but would still wear a tie afterwards as, lets face it, the clothing in this case has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I would take similar action myself - but would still wear a tie afterwards as, lets face it, the clothing in this case has absolutely nothing to do with it.
I sympathise with him as I've worked (and still do) in suits whereas my female counterparts work in jumpers so tatty that I wouldn't wear them round the house.
I've had jobs where I have been told to get a hair cut or wear a bow, aslo I have been contractually required to remove my earrings whereas the ladies can wear large ones. Equality does work both ways, however I would still work in a suit for the PERCIEVED image.
I've had jobs where I have been told to get a hair cut or wear a bow, aslo I have been contractually required to remove my earrings whereas the ladies can wear large ones. Equality does work both ways, however I would still work in a suit for the PERCIEVED image.
Dress code should be based on what image the organisation want to portray and should be made clear when offering the job, part of the conditions so to speak.
This guy obviously has too much time on his hands, which suggests he is surplus to requirements and as such I would sack the muthafcuker immediately.
What the fcuk happened to down-to-earth common sense?
And it's true a suit will instill a more professional attitude on a person.
This guy obviously has too much time on his hands, which suggests he is surplus to requirements and as such I would sack the muthafcuker immediately.
What the fcuk happened to down-to-earth common sense?
And it's true a suit will instill a more professional attitude on a person.
Years ago, I remember a previous Chief Constable at the Federation open meeting being asked a question over the very smae issue about women officers being allowed to wear open necked blouses in the summer and male officers having to wear a shirt and tie at all time, even in very high temperatures.
The question was put that it was unfair on the grounds of sexual discrimination. The Chief Constable immediately agreed that it was and made a policy on the platform that form that point onwards, everyone would wear a collar and tie all the time!!
It completely backfired for everyone. The person asking the question was not popular, particularly with female officers
.
Maybe this chap should think about what might happen.
The question was put that it was unfair on the grounds of sexual discrimination. The Chief Constable immediately agreed that it was and made a policy on the platform that form that point onwards, everyone would wear a collar and tie all the time!!
It completely backfired for everyone. The person asking the question was not popular, particularly with female officers
. Maybe this chap should think about what might happen.
Did anyone catch the Jeremy Vine debate on R2 about the wearing of ties? He was proposing that there was no reason why a tie should make anyone better at their job or whatever. This is kind of my attitude to it - I will gladly turn up to a meeting with Clients wearing a company polo shirt instead of a suit because my Clients have chosen my company because of our abilities to deliver a solution - not because we conform to an oudated dress code. Having said that, I regularly wear a suit anyway because I believe it puts me in a more businesslike frame of mind.
Vine had one caller (some toffy MP type) who he had interviewed the day before. This was a radio interview conducted over the phone, so the MP type could not see Vine but it transpired that Vine had not been wearing a tie during the interview. The MP type was MADDER THAN HELL because he felt that Vine couldn't have been taking him seriously.
Vine had one caller (some toffy MP type) who he had interviewed the day before. This was a radio interview conducted over the phone, so the MP type could not see Vine but it transpired that Vine had not been wearing a tie during the interview. The MP type was MADDER THAN HELL because he felt that Vine couldn't have been taking him seriously.
Someone once said you should dress to the job to which you aspire and not the job you have. Perhaps he should seek employment as a dustman.
On a personal note my current company have a more casual attitude to work attire - I felt very overdressed when I first started. Do prefer to wear a suit even as a girlie - not sure if I would look right in a tie tho'
On a personal note my current company have a more casual attitude to work attire - I felt very overdressed when I first started. Do prefer to wear a suit even as a girlie - not sure if I would look right in a tie tho'
From the TV coverage of this story, I think one of the main points was that this chap has no dealings with the public at all, and has to apply for advance permission from a female boss in order to remove said tie. So, on the hottest day of the year he would have to wear a tie, while she would be able to refuse permission for him to remove the tie, whilst she was nice and cool in a T-shirt!
I'm with the chap on this one.
(on principal, I believe that if you don't meet customers/public in the course of your job, why should you need to be smartly dressed?)
I'm with the chap on this one.
(on principal, I believe that if you don't meet customers/public in the course of your job, why should you need to be smartly dressed?)
LOL
Big Chris said: I think he is being a moaning little girl....suits all the way in my opinion.
We have dress down day on Friday's and i honestly have to say i go striaght into relax mode. I do a lot less work and generally start my weekend early
So are you trying to say that women do less work because they are dressed in a more relaxed way.
I have to wear a tie to work and dont find my workrate suffers if we have a casual day (NOT DRESS DOWN DAY). I dont think women should be required to wear ties but in an office where suit & ties are the rules for men, a T-shirt is not acceptable for women.
And it's true a suit will instill a more professional attitude on a person.
Nah, I turned into a complete sleazeball whenever I wore a suit to work. Was a newspaper reporter back then, though...
Now I'm self-employed and wear whatever I like – and don't wear a tie even with a suit. It's never done any harm, and actually worked in my favour a few times. If you do a good enough job, wearing a tie shouldn't matter at all, and most clients respect that.
I hope the equality bloke wins, even if it means his female colleagues have to change what they wear. But then again, I'm not averse to seeing women wearing smart suits and red lippy...
>> Edited by Spoonman on Tuesday 25th February 14:54
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