Points mean Policeman, what do points mean?
Points mean Policeman, what do points mean?
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Dwight Vandriver

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6,583 posts

274 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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....and there is more.....

The latest report regarding our publicity seeking CC Brainstorm of Yakkydah North is that he is consdiering piloting a scheme where his Officers on patrol are allocated points in connection with their work. Suggested:
An arrest - 10 points
Issue of FPN for Disorder- 10 points
Vehicle seizure - TWENTY POINTS
Stop and search - 1 point
But if they provide false intelligence they will be docked five points.
The brass claim it is not for targets you understand but to identify areas where an Officer may need training.

.......ohhhh where are the aspirins.
dvd

mg6b

6,649 posts

293 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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This is common practice amongst some forces already Especially RPD officers.yes

ipsg.glf

1,590 posts

248 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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RPD?

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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Dwight Vandriver said:

....and there is more.....

The latest report regarding our publicity seeking CC Brainstorm of Yakkydah North is that he is consdiering piloting a scheme where his Officers on patrol are allocated points in connection with their work. Suggested:
An arrest - 10 points
Issue of FPN for Disorder- 10 points
Vehicle seizure - TWENTY POINTS
Stop and search - 1 point
But if they provide false intelligence they will be docked five points.
The brass claim it is not for targets you understand but to identify areas where an Officer may need training.

.......ohhhh where are the aspirins.
dvd


It'll be these next

BO55 VXR

4,373 posts

281 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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ipsg.glf said:
RPD?


Road Policing Department?

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

263 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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Yes, I'm sure the public think it is twice as important for you to be siezing a vehicle than arresting e.g. a mugger or a burglar.

Does the man even know what a policeman is ?
banghead

Massispider

384 posts

242 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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Not sure what the fuss is about - everyone is accountable for the work they produce, this is simply another way of calculating.
How many burglers (housebreakers is Scotland) do you know bother to insure their cars? A seizure removes their transport.

imbecile

2,032 posts

254 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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The concern I have with this sort of thing is that it interferes with that most important part of a police officer's armoury, discretion.

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Thursday 31st August 2006
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Massispider said:
Not sure what the fuss is about - everyone is accountable for the work they produce, this is simply another way of calculating.
How many burglers (housebreakers is Scotland) do you know bother to insure their cars? A seizure removes their transport.


Until they can amass the vast amount of about £50 to buy another one.

jasandjules

72,624 posts

259 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Or go nick one instead.

This is a fecking stupid idea. Why not simply allow the public to judge how well the police are doing? Oh wait, because we will tell them they are sh**e.

I don't want a points win prizes police force. I don't want a nice list of the best bobbies on the beat. I want them out, nicking scrotes...

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

263 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Massispider said:

How many burglers (housebreakers is Scotland) do you know bother to insure their cars? A seizure removes their transport.


I'd rather the police nicked the burglars for their actual crimes. Accidentally catching a few for no-insurance is a piss-poor alternative.

catso

16,505 posts

297 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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More here; www.eveningleader.co.uk/titlesites2/detail.asp?storyid=806&officeid=1



Edited to ad and there's a vote (FWIW), currently at 93.33% against Dicky Brainstorm. I really do wonder how/why he keeps that job - really is a sad indicator of our times that such a muppet is in such a position of power.

Edited by catso on Friday 1st September 11:11

cooperman

4,428 posts

280 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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In old days a 'policeman on point duty' meant directing traffic. Now it has a whole new meaning.

Massispider

384 posts

242 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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""I'd rather the police nicked the burglars for their actual crimes. Accidentally catching a few for no-insurance is a piss-poor alternative.""

Yeah, great if they were actually sent to prison for their crimes. You would be surprised how many recidivist burglars/housebreakers actually spend more time in prison - therefore off our streets - for driving offences rather than crimes. Also, generally speaking, they aren't caught accidentally, more work is intelligence led that ever before. Even Road Policing Officers know how to target the bad guys!!

chrispy porker

17,730 posts

258 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Here Here, there is always more than one way to skin a cat

autismuk

1,529 posts

270 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Massispider said:
Not sure what the fuss is about - everyone is accountable for the work they produce, this is simply another way of calculating.
How many burglers (housebreakers is Scotland) do you know bother to insure their cars? A seizure removes their transport.


Because any system like this will be gerrymandered. It will be like the gerrymandering of crime stats, just on an individual level.

LongQ

13,864 posts

263 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Massispider said:
Not sure what the fuss is about - everyone is accountable for the work they produce, this is simply another way of calculating.
How many burglers (housebreakers is Scotland) do you know bother to insure their cars? A seizure removes their transport.


No and yes.

I have always assumed that there were already assessments in place that one might hope take in to account the success (perhaps) of a quiet patch as well as the city centre Sweeney brigade action men. Maybe the whole point thing is based on how many forms you can fill in per crime.

The problem with most measurement systems of this sort is in trying to define what measures are meaningful and what are complete rubbish. Often the answers are not so clear. At worst they are completely misleading as the Americans discovered when they based success ratios on how many building the B52s had flattened. Then wondered why the carpet bombing did not seem to be making much difference. Eventually the Secretary of State asked for numbers that were at least vaguely meaningful.

It seems that old lesson is a long time in the learning. Especially for Druids.

streaky

19,311 posts

279 months

Saturday 2nd September 2006
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Massispider said:
""I'd rather the police nicked the burglars for their actual crimes. Accidentally catching a few for no-insurance is a piss-poor alternative.""

Yeah, great if they were actually sent to prison for their crimes. You would be surprised how many recidivist burglars/housebreakers actually spend more time in prison - therefore off our streets - for driving offences rather than crimes. Also, generally speaking, they aren't caught accidentally, more work is intelligence led that ever before. Even Road Policing Officers know how to target the bad guys!!
So surprise us with some statistics! And don't forget to show how long they spent inside - Streaky

massispider

384 posts

242 months

Saturday 2nd September 2006
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""So surprise us with some statistics! And don't forget to show how long they spent inside - Streaky""

Wish I had the time - need to find your local intelligence officer/statistician for that!!!

But seriously, I did read an article about a Force that calculated the time spent behind bars for its recidivists and more time had been spent due to RTA offences.