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iv recently had the wheel alignment etc done and the car feels much better, but still think it could feel better at higher speeds, on the MOT last week they advised a new shock as the drivers side rear appears to be loosing fluid and the back end feels fairly soft,
so think its time to upgrade,looking at ordering a set of these nitrons, where is best to order them from?
on the nitron site they mention a spring option of eibachs instead of standard nitron spring, which is lighter and has less friction or some blah de blah, is it worth the spring upgrade for an extra £100?
on my downhill mountain bike a have a titanium spring on the shock which is much lighter than a steel spring, are these available for cars nowadays? anyone tried this?
thanks
graham
so think its time to upgrade,looking at ordering a set of these nitrons, where is best to order them from?
on the nitron site they mention a spring option of eibachs instead of standard nitron spring, which is lighter and has less friction or some blah de blah, is it worth the spring upgrade for an extra £100?
on my downhill mountain bike a have a titanium spring on the shock which is much lighter than a steel spring, are these available for cars nowadays? anyone tried this?
thanks
graham
Edited by hollowlegs on Monday 4th September 13:33
just tried him but no answer so called dom at tvr power and just ordered a set
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
hollowlegs said:
just tried him but no answer so called dom at tvr power and just ordered a set
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
Blimey. I was only talking to Dom last Monday about getting some Nitrons! Looks like you're the guinea pig!
Was thinking also about what the springs would do but sounds un-necessary.
Was their labour cost to fit on top of the £945+vat?
Did he say when they will be in for fitting?
hollowlegs said:
just tried him but no answer so called dom at tvr power and just ordered a set
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
he didnt recommend the eibach spring upgrade saying they were too harsh for most normal road use, and said if i wasn't happy with them he would give a full refund, sounded fairly confident i'd be impressed with them so its a done deal, hope to have them in and set up before the weekend for knockhill so i can see if they feel better to the last time i went there!
Jools was busy enjoying himself at Croft in what seemed to be a very well set up V8s. He should be around tommorow..its not too late for a second opinion.
Hi hoolowlegs, hi Daftlad.
yeah Croft rocked today, loved it For an ex airflield circuit it's got to be the best in the country, I'm back again for the Hexham HC day in a few weeks too 
On the Nitron dampers subject, I don't know if Nitron do a T350 sepecific kit, but if not don't whatever you do fit the std Tuscan kit to a T350 .. I've noticed a peculairity in the T350 chassis which means the Tuscan damper (which you'd expect to work just as it does on the tuscan) .. doesn't ..
Obviously if Nitron are aware of this and have a T350 specific damper then all is well
yeah Croft rocked today, loved it
For an ex airflield circuit it's got to be the best in the country, I'm back again for the Hexham HC day in a few weeks too On the Nitron dampers subject, I don't know if Nitron do a T350 sepecific kit, but if not don't whatever you do fit the std Tuscan kit to a T350 .. I've noticed a peculairity in the T350 chassis which means the Tuscan damper (which you'd expect to work just as it does on the tuscan) .. doesn't ..
Obviously if Nitron are aware of this and have a T350 specific damper then all is well
yep the website states that there are T350 specific kits,
www.nitron.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_24_45
im fitting them myself, living in aberdeen means i am about a 12 hour drive south to tvr power, iv changed coilovers on a previous car so have a rough idea of what im doing, plus the car just had alignment etc done at dreadnought so more or less just un-bolt the old and bolt in the new. but have asked for instructions to be put in aswell just for reference.
fingers crossed
www.nitron.co.uk/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_24_45
im fitting them myself, living in aberdeen means i am about a 12 hour drive south to tvr power, iv changed coilovers on a previous car so have a rough idea of what im doing, plus the car just had alignment etc done at dreadnought so more or less just un-bolt the old and bolt in the new. but have asked for instructions to be put in aswell just for reference.
fingers crossed
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Hey Jools - have you forgotten about me and those Protech dampers you were messing with/trialling?
Also, how much do you charge for fitting nowadays? I could do with polybushes and decent shocks on my Chimaera before it ends up killing me - that standard suspension is bloody horrible!
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Edited to add something vagely on topic: Hollowlegs - search for Nitron in the archives and read some of the horror stories about people setting Nitrons up themselves/having some dealers do it then reconsider getting it done professionally!
Hey Jools - have you forgotten about me and those Protech dampers you were messing with/trialling?
Also, how much do you charge for fitting nowadays? I could do with polybushes and decent shocks on my Chimaera before it ends up killing me - that standard suspension is bloody horrible!
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Edited to add something vagely on topic: Hollowlegs - search for Nitron in the archives and read some of the horror stories about people setting Nitrons up themselves/having some dealers do it then reconsider getting it done professionally!
Edited by _deejay_ on Monday 4th September 21:44
trackcar said:
Hi hoolowlegs, hi Daftlad.
yeah Croft rocked today, loved it For an ex airflield circuit it's got to be the best in the country, I'm back again for the Hexham HC day in a few weeks too
On the Nitron dampers subject, I don't know if Nitron do a T350 sepecific kit, but if not don't whatever you do fit the std Tuscan kit to a T350 .. I've noticed a peculairity in the T350 chassis which means the Tuscan damper (which you'd expect to work just as it does on the tuscan) .. doesn't ..
Obviously if Nitron are aware of this and have a T350 specific damper then all is well
yeah Croft rocked today, loved it
For an ex airflield circuit it's got to be the best in the country, I'm back again for the Hexham HC day in a few weeks too On the Nitron dampers subject, I don't know if Nitron do a T350 sepecific kit, but if not don't whatever you do fit the std Tuscan kit to a T350 .. I've noticed a peculairity in the T350 chassis which means the Tuscan damper (which you'd expect to work just as it does on the tuscan) .. doesn't ..
Obviously if Nitron are aware of this and have a T350 specific damper then all is well
Joo, Nitron have done a T350 specific kit... Though it may be a one off.
PH'er "tail slide" runs this I think, but it may be specially commisioned.
yeah i have read some of these topics, but like i said i do have some experience in fitting shocks to cars, and alot of experience setting up bike shocks so will give it a bash myself, but if at any stage i find myself in a muddle am prepared to get along to a specialist.
the only thing that i find less than re-assuring is when i asked dreadnought tvr what they thought about nitrons, they said wouldn't touch them with a bargepole and said the standard shocks are fine, now whether or not thats because of the supposid tuscan shock being used on the t350 causing problems i dont know, supposidly too harsh and won't be any better at high speeds, only thing they could say is ohlins were great and they fitted a set to a tuscan and it gave the car so much grip off the line the guy couldnt spin the wheels.
the only thing that i find less than re-assuring is when i asked dreadnought tvr what they thought about nitrons, they said wouldn't touch them with a bargepole and said the standard shocks are fine, now whether or not thats because of the supposid tuscan shock being used on the t350 causing problems i dont know, supposidly too harsh and won't be any better at high speeds, only thing they could say is ohlins were great and they fitted a set to a tuscan and it gave the car so much grip off the line the guy couldnt spin the wheels.
Edited by hollowlegs on Tuesday 5th September 10:11
trackcar said:
On the Nitron dampers subject, I don't know if Nitron do a T350 sepecific kit, but if not don't whatever you do fit the std Tuscan kit to a T350 .. I've noticed a peculairity in the T350 chassis which means the Tuscan damper (which you'd expect to work just as it does on the tuscan) .. doesn't ..
Interesting.
As far as I'm concerned the T chassis used on the T350 runs a standard short loop with 14" centres on the front and 15 1/2" extended loop on the back with no problems.
On the subject of fully adjustable shocks, you will find detractors amongst the fit and forget brigade because throwing a Bilstein kit on a car is much less complicated.
Edited by the gazman on Tuesday 5th September 09:36
Edited by the gazman on Tuesday 5th September 09:37
They are talking b*ll**ks, the t350 has a specific kit from TVR Power they are superb and are fully adjustable. Corner weighting , camber and castor plus ride height setting are the key. It really winds me up when someone rubbishes something without knowledge. Thats what forums are all about though ! 12 on rebound damping for road use 15 for track day. 18 or above and no feeling till you spin. Tried Tested Dogs B,s. Sorry Gazman only commenting on my experience. DB9 blown away, same times round track as formula ford not bad for a 1K plus £180 set up.
bobd said:
They are talking b*ll**ks, the t350 has a specific kit from TVR Power they are superb and are fully adjustable. Corner weighting , camber and castor plus ride height setting are the key. It really winds me up when someone rubbishes something without knowledge. Thats what forums are all about though ! 12 on rebound damping for road use 15 for track day. 18 or above and no feeling till you spin. Tried Tested Dogs B,s. Sorry Gazman only commenting on my experience. DB9 blown away, same times round track as formula ford not bad for a 1K plus £180 set up.
No need to be sorry, Nitron are accepted by all as second only to Ohlins and are a tried and tested product.
I don't subscibe to the argument that everybody needs monotube shocks, TCS and myself have proved that twin-tube shocks can punch well above their price.
my set of nitrons arrived in the post this morning, just pulled them out the box before darting out to work and they look pretty damn kool! i'll be darting home after work to fit them and hope they work as good as they look, car is booked in on friday afternoon for the geometry set-up.
does anyone know the geometry settings for the T350 as the garage im using to do the laser alignment etc etc don't have the settings
does anyone know the geometry settings for the T350 as the garage im using to do the laser alignment etc etc don't have the settings
Edited by hollowlegs on Wednesday 6th September 13:14
hollowlegs said:
yeah i have read some of these topics, but like i said i do have some experience in fitting shocks to cars, and alot of experience setting up bike shocks so will give it a bash myself, but if at any stage i find myself in a muddle am prepared to get along to a specialist.
the only thing that i find less than re-assuring is when i asked dreadnought tvr what they thought about nitrons, they said wouldn't touch them with a bargepole and said the standard shocks are fine, now whether or not thats because of the supposid tuscan shock being used on the t350 causing problems i dont know, supposidly too harsh and won't be any better at high speeds, only thing they could say is ohlins were great and they fitted a set to a tuscan and it gave the car so much grip off the line the guy couldnt spin the wheels.
LOL at this - Dreadnought TVR arent Ohlins dealers perhaps?
Nitrons are well reknowned in most enthusiast sports car circles as one of the best options out there ...unless you have £3k + to spend, AND are of a similar skillset to an F1 chassis engineer then theres no point in spending more than around £1500 fitted and set-up on some 3 way adjustables etc.
The whole subject of damping and spring rate is huge and would take ages to cover - what youwant is a quality product, thats designed for the end user car and useage. the valving and spring rate is what matters here (after the construction of the damper) .....so...if a company has spent say 6 months working with a few T350 owners developing a kit, then its likely it will perform well under given circumstances ...whats 'firm' for one person on the road is 'soft' for another. Single way adjustables will give you a working range within a give parameter set/spring rate....so you may be able to run say 30% softer on the road and 30% harder on track....as long as you are happy with this then fine.
The best approach is to try and drive cars with a given set-up fitted - thats really the only way to find something that will suit your own intended use...the actual debate between manufacturer of damper or spring is a waste of time ....most people couldnt tell the difference between a £500 damper or a £3000 (me included) ...what matters the most is how the package is set-up for the car....and to most of us mere mortals...we dont have 6 months and a race track, 20 springs, and a load of valves that we can tinker with
the only thing that i find less than re-assuring is when i asked dreadnought tvr what they thought about nitrons, they said wouldn't touch them with a bargepole and said the standard shocks are fine, now whether or not thats because of the supposid tuscan shock being used on the t350 causing problems i dont know, supposidly too harsh and won't be any better at high speeds, only thing they could say is ohlins were great and they fitted a set to a tuscan and it gave the car so much grip off the line the guy couldnt spin the wheels.
LOL at this - Dreadnought TVR arent Ohlins dealers perhaps?
Nitrons are well reknowned in most enthusiast sports car circles as one of the best options out there ...unless you have £3k + to spend, AND are of a similar skillset to an F1 chassis engineer then theres no point in spending more than around £1500 fitted and set-up on some 3 way adjustables etc.
The whole subject of damping and spring rate is huge and would take ages to cover - what youwant is a quality product, thats designed for the end user car and useage. the valving and spring rate is what matters here (after the construction of the damper) .....so...if a company has spent say 6 months working with a few T350 owners developing a kit, then its likely it will perform well under given circumstances ...whats 'firm' for one person on the road is 'soft' for another. Single way adjustables will give you a working range within a give parameter set/spring rate....so you may be able to run say 30% softer on the road and 30% harder on track....as long as you are happy with this then fine.
The best approach is to try and drive cars with a given set-up fitted - thats really the only way to find something that will suit your own intended use...the actual debate between manufacturer of damper or spring is a waste of time ....most people couldnt tell the difference between a £500 damper or a £3000 (me included) ...what matters the most is how the package is set-up for the car....and to most of us mere mortals...we dont have 6 months and a race track, 20 springs, and a load of valves that we can tinker with
Edited by hollowlegs on Tuesday 5th September 10:11
fairclp said:
A bit off subject, but, did you see the TG Stig set up the pre-production T350 shocks for the track and make it go 1 sec faster than production one managed in a later show?
Which just proves you need to have really reached the limits of the cars handling by building your skills before splashing out big bucks on super funky suspension for track work alone. The driver is the component that makes the biggest difference. Put an expert in a 2.9i S TVR and he'd thrash an average driver in a Sagaris.
Upgrades like Nitrons seem to help in everyday driving (like stopping the car bouncing into a ditch on your favourite windey back road).
well got distracted by watching scotland winning 2-1 last night, then a pizza, so once i got round to it i only had enough time to put the rears on, much better, more feedback in the corners which is what i wanted and it seems to be alot more predictable, holds the car flat under heavy braking and on take off it seems to have more grip, i only got upto around 90 mph but it felt better and made me more confident, will see how the fronts go tonight.
oh and what a nightmare i was having, gave up with spanners and went n bought a decent socket set, much quicker
looking forward to knockhill on sunday!
oh and what a nightmare i was having, gave up with spanners and went n bought a decent socket set, much quicker
looking forward to knockhill on sunday!
Edited by hollowlegs on Thursday 7th September 10:02
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