Vettel - The next Star?
Vettel - The next Star?
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Magic Torch

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251 months

Friday 8th September 2006
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OK, so he is free of engine mileage restrictions and able to use new tyres at will, but he's still very quick.

Great drivers always seem to come in and go quickly straight away. What does everyone think?

mg511

1,754 posts

270 months

Friday 8th September 2006
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agree he's looking very impressive, though it looks like FWD is not so impressed, see www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=305518&f=42&h=0

rallycross

13,749 posts

266 months

Friday 8th September 2006
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was same thin with Kubica maybe BMW have some special spec for their free practive drivers to get extra PR?

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Saturday 9th September 2006
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He was dominant in German Formula BMW, and performed well in F3 Euroseries. But I think he's too inexperienced to become a GP racer yet. Give him a season in GP2 or Renault World Series first, IMHO.

egomeister

7,591 posts

292 months

Saturday 9th September 2006
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Yep he certainly looks good but then a lot of kids do... and BMW have really been milking the publicity available from Friday practices with fresh engines and new tyres. Kubica has shown well so far but he's far from proving himself at this level. If he's consistantly matching and beating Heidfeld by the end of the year it would be fair to say he has a bright future.

Ultimately its almost impossible to say who's got "it" until they step up into an F1 race seat. Heikki Kovalainen has been a fantastic test driver for Renault this year but you never know how this is going to transalate into a race situation - he'll either grow into a race winner or just show flashes of quality and fade away.

Vettel certainly has the potential to be a star but so do half a dozen youngsters each year. I think Hamilton is the stand-out driver currently and will go onto big things but from the rest of this years junior drivers I can't pick anyone who looks the real-deal yet.

Jungles

3,587 posts

250 months

Saturday 9th September 2006
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I'd put my money on Nico Rosberg as title contender in several years time. It's only his first year in F1, but he's close to Mark Webber's performance. If he had gotten a reliable car this year, I think he could have cracked the top ten in the drivers' standings. All that is lacking is experience and a good team.

If Lewis Hamilton turns out to be as good as all the hype, then we might see a good rivalry between him and Rosberg. Same for Heikki and Piquet, if they also deliver on their hype.

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

256 months

Sunday 10th September 2006
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[quote=Jungles]I'd put my money on Nico Rosberg as title contender in several years time. It's only his first year in F1, but he's close to Mark Webber's performance. If he had gotten a reliable car this year, I think he could have cracked the top ten in the drivers' standings. All that is lacking is experience and a good team.

I don't rate Rosberg he's still dining out on his performance in the first race. He should be beating Webber if he has ambitions of being a champ. Webber is only a solid F1 driver, nothing special, he occasionally puts in a blinder in qualifying but otherwise hasn't done much - was beaten by Heidfeld last year. I like Mark though I hope the RedBull is quick next year. As for Nico people say he's a pretty boy but I can't even see that.

But what do I know I thought Fisi would be a match for Alonso.

boRED S2upid

21,035 posts

269 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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I'd say Kubica is the next star of F1. How he is so quick in that car being that big is impressive, he must weight a stone or two more than the other guys which in F1 has to be a big disadvantage yet he still got third on Sunday.

magic torch

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251 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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Yep, great race by him, nice to see some fresh talent coming forward.

IIRC the minimum weight includes the driver, so his extra weight won't hinder him.

SamHH

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245 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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boRED S2upid said:
I'd say Kubica is the next star of F1. How he is so quick in that car being that big is impressive, he must weight a stone or two more than the other guys which in F1 has to be a big disadvantage yet he still got third on Sunday.


As magic torch pointed out the minimum weight of the car includes the driver: they will just remove some ballast to compensate for a heavier driver. However, it is preferable to have everything (including the driver) as light a possible and then make it up with ballast because ballast can be placed wherever is optimum for weight distribution - i.e. very low down and towards the middle. Also, the smaller the driver the less room he takes up in the car.

Edited by SamHH on Monday 11th September 12:53

boRED S2upid

21,035 posts

269 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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Ah this is why Sato is rubbish. I thought with him being 4ft tall he would have a weight advantage.

FourWheelDrift

92,248 posts

313 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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boRED S2upid said:
Ah this is why Sato is rubbish. I thought with him being 4ft tall he would have a weight advantage.


Nah, he'd still be on ideal target weight if you add on his booster cushion.

stumartin

1,706 posts

266 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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SamHH said:
... ballast can be placed wherever is optimum for weight distribution - i.e. very low down and towards the middle.


i/e where the driver sits?

I wouldn't think that freeing up room in the cockpit is as useful as having the driver's head lower down and as far out of the airflow over the car as possible, im(humble)o.


...edited to get my reply somewhere near on topic - Vettel / Rosberg / Kovalainen / Piquet et al; one fast lap does not maketh a Michael Schumacher, but it's not a bad start.

Edited by stumartin on Monday 11th September 15:42

magic torch

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5,781 posts

251 months

Sunday 14th November 2010
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and what a star he is!!

stephen300o

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257 months

Sunday 14th November 2010
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He's the star now, another new kid in the Sauber next year, it moves along quickly.

Aydogflipper

436 posts

195 months

Sunday 14th November 2010
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Have to say it, the boy done good.

Gwagon111

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190 months

Sunday 14th November 2010
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The stand out thing about Vettel for me, was when he was karting ten years ago. He was a particularly quick driver, but the most impressive thing was how he dealt with defeats. If his kart failed, he crashed, or was beaten straight up, he used to just shrug his shoulders and say tomorrow's another day. It was a very mature attitude to have, and very reminiscent of Jensons early days. He wasn't a spoilt brat who's father owned a haulage company or some such. I think he has the makings of a great if he's supplied with a good team. I don't think the car needs to be the best on the grid, as he's proved he can outperform a not so good car. He's a nice kid and I wish he wasn't German. I wish him all the best ( through slightly gritted teeth).

magic torch

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Monday 15th November 2010
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Gwagon111 said:
I wish he wasn't German
I live in Germany, and the talk of the office this morning is will he be able to beat Schumacher next year!!

Most of the Germans I know don't rate Vettel at all, and MS is still their God confused

stephen300o

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257 months

Monday 15th November 2010
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magic torch said:
Gwagon111 said:
I wish he wasn't German
I live in Germany, and the talk of the office this morning is will he be able to beat Schumacher next year!!

Most of the Germans I know don't rate Vettel at all, and MS is still their God confused
Most of the Germans you know seem to be a bit out of touch. smile

magic torch

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Monday 15th November 2010
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stephen300o said:
Most of the Germans you know seem to be a bit out of touch. smile
yes