Mystery Boxes
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350matt

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3,889 posts

307 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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Does anyone know what the little boxes on top of traffic lights are for? They're rectangular with a black lens and approx 6" long and are mounted so the lens bit faces traffic. Are they red light cameras or the much rumored 'blue flash' detector which picks up emergency vehicles and sets the lights to green?

Matt

deltaf

1,384 posts

285 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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These are microwave transmitter/detector pairs that tell the control box when a car/pedestrian is in its range.
They work on X band if memory serves, and are similar to automatic door openers at the supermarket.

DanL

6,586 posts

293 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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Does anyone know what the little boxes on top of traffic lights are for? They're rectangular with a black lens and approx 6" long and are mounted so the lens bit faces traffic. Are they red light cameras or the much rumored 'blue flash' detector which picks up emergency vehicles and sets the lights to green?

Matt

I believe they're some sort of traffic sensor to monitor traffic flow. If the road's pretty empty then the lights will change quickly when a pedestrian presses the button. In heavy traffic the delay is longer to allow more cars to pass.

How long it's been since the lights last changed may also factor in to how quickly they switch from green to red.

... although I may well be completely wrong about all of this.

Edited to add: must type faster.

Dan

>> Edited by DanL on Thursday 27th February 12:20

Agent006

12,058 posts

292 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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I think they're a combination of radar trafic detection and strobe detection.

The radar helps to adapt the timings (car coming- lights go green if nothing else about).

The strobe detector detects errr... strobes. I don't think they all do this though. Detects patterns of 3? strobe flashes then puts the whole lot onto red.

350matt

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3,889 posts

307 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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So get myself a flashing light and sail thru town then?
Any idea of the frequency?

swilly

9,699 posts

302 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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I was under the impression these were camera's for catching red-light jumpers.

robp

5,815 posts

292 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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They are a secret goverment camera.

They are ready to be adopted for a new "speed kills" campaign where all pedestrians must not walk above 5mph.

Recently published statistics proved that the faster you walk the more damage is done when you trip. It has been deemed by the government that it is no longer OK for people to judge their own walking pace with respect to the walking conditions, hence the need for these new cameras.

Big brother is watching you



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ashes

628 posts

282 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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I had heard (could be rubbish mind) that these are transponders designed to recognise emergency vehicles and change the lights for them???

robp

5,815 posts

292 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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ashes said: I had heard (could be rubbish mind) that these are transponders designed to recognise emergency vehicles and change the lights for them???


I thought the lights are changed centrally at some sort of control centre. I suppose this only applies to big sets of lights though.

BIF

149 posts

290 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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I agree with deltaf, they are microwave motion detectors, setup to alter the signal phases with traffic / pedestrian flow, for example, when a motorist in side road is wanting to join a more major road, the phasing will alter on demand.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

283 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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I thought ashes was right.

Remember, these things were there long before radar/laser/etc were available. From memory, I first saw them in the 60's.

I blame global warming..............

P*Ting

5,618 posts

286 months

Thursday 27th February 2003
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They're all over the place in my local area, and I think they change the lights when they see you comming if there's nobody else around.

There's one junction that always seems to be on red when I approach it, then it changes the instant my wheels stop turning. I'm sure it does it on purpose!

There's also a set on some lights controlling a bridge in Guildford Stroughton Road I think. They definately change as soon as they see you. A very effective solution.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

283 months

Friday 28th February 2003
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I thought cables embedded in the road did that....??

fergusd

1,251 posts

298 months

Friday 28th February 2003
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If you look closely at some of them they have a small indicator lamp on the rear, they clearly light up only when there is approaching traffic.

Fd

lotusguy

1,798 posts

285 months

Friday 28th February 2003
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ashes said: I had heard (could be rubbish mind) that these are transponders designed to recognise emergency vehicles and change the lights for them???


Hi,

I can't say for sure, but here in the States, we do have a system where a coded strobe on emergency vehicles (Ambulance, Fire and Police) will switch all the lights green in advance of the vehicle and stop the cross traffic. Generally, these are accompanied by a simple flood lamp which lights to alert the driver of the Emergency vehicle that the light has 'sensed' him and that the cross traffic will be stopped.

Theoretically, you could mount your own strobe and get clear sailing here, but you'd need to know the frequency of the flashes. Happy Motoring! Jim'85TE

dans

1,152 posts

312 months

Friday 28th February 2003
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They are for monitoring traffic flow and adjusting the light phasing accordingly - whan the traffic is normal then the system uses pre-determined settings, at night the major road taked precedence with the sensors used to detect traffic approaching from minor roads. They can also be used to change lights for emergency service vehicles and where they are used on temporary roadworks lights, you can get them to change by flashing your lights at them provided no traffic is coming the other way.