280 mails mostly junk. How do I stop them?
280 mails mostly junk. How do I stop them?
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Tafia

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

278 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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This morning I had 280 emails, all but 20 or so being crap and mostly "Mail Failure" notices with files attached. I usually get around 100 - 120 a day

Is there any way of stopping this nonsense. I had thought my ISP would stop spam mails but it seems not.

Boo hoo

beanbag

7,346 posts

271 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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If you have filters at server level, you can slowly but surely filter them all out.....

Which ISP are you with?

tinman0

18,231 posts

270 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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what email client are you using?

thunderbird (and I think outlook) have a feature to train the client to spot spam. simply tell the programme what a spam message is and it remembers it for the future. i was a bit sceptical about these things at first, but mine is pretty well trained now.

it won't stop the flood of spam, but it will stop them all getting in your inbox.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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SpamFighter
Couldmark Spamnet (or it could be Cloudnet Spammark)

There are loads.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

276 months

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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Pigeon said:


Ooo

Getting decent results with it?

BliarsGoing

72,863 posts

269 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
Pigeon said:


Ooo

Getting decent results with it?
yes Works well in a pop3 environment once it's trained.

Tafia

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

278 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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beanbag said:
If you have filters at server level, you can slowly but surely filter them all out.....

Which ISP are you with?


Was Freeserve then it changed to Wanadoo now it's changed to Orange

Tafia

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

278 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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tinman0 said:
what email client are you using?

thunderbird (and I think outlook) have a feature to train the client to spot spam. simply tell the programme what a spam message is and it remembers it for the future. i was a bit sceptical about these things at first, but mine is pretty well trained now.

it won't stop the flood of spam, but it will stop them all getting in your inbox.


Outlook Express

tinman0

18,231 posts

270 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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Tafia said:
tinman0 said:
what email client are you using?

thunderbird (and I think outlook) have a feature to train the client to spot spam. simply tell the programme what a spam message is and it remembers it for the future. i was a bit sceptical about these things at first, but mine is pretty well trained now.

it won't stop the flood of spam, but it will stop them all getting in your inbox.


Outlook Express


in that case, download Thunderbird for free. can't lose anything.

(www.mozilla.com)

orinoco

69 posts

256 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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tinman0 said:
what email client are you using?

thunderbird (and I think outlook) have a feature to train the client to spot spam. simply tell the programme what a spam message is and it remembers it for the future. i was a bit sceptical about these things at first, but mine is pretty well trained now.

it won't stop the flood of spam, but it will stop them all getting in your inbox.


I am with outlook express and have NO SPAM whatsoever.....cept what I get from Tafia

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Monday 11th September 2006
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orinoco said:

I am with outlook express and have NO SPAM whatsoever.....cept what I get from Tafia


That's not because you are running Outlook Express though - it's either because you are very lucky, or your ISP is filtering the SPAM out for you.


Pigeon

18,535 posts

276 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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BliarsGoing said:
Plotloss said:
Pigeon said:

Ooo

Getting decent results with it?
yes Works well in a pop3 environment once it's trained.

SMTP environment here. I've got an exim transport set up to run all incoming mail through spambayes (and also clamav to knock out the virus mails), plus a cron job running once a day to train it on the day's new mail. I keep ten days' worth of spam and check it about once a week for false positives, but can't remember the last time I found one. Usually a couple of false negatives a day from Markovian spam, but it's getting better. The vast majority of the "unsure" category are spam.

Only thing that I could criticise is that it's a bit heavy on CPU, but the only time when that's actually a problem is when something goes wrong upstream and then when it's put right a flood of mail comes in all at once. The 600MHz Celeron chugs a bit when that happens, but it's only once in a blue moon so it's no big deal.

JonRB

80,108 posts

302 months

Tuesday 12th September 2006
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Plotloss said:
Couldmark Spamnet (or it could be Cloudnet Spammark)
It's been through a few name changes since then, Matt. Now called Cloudmark Desktop

I've been using it for a while and it is pretty good & accurate (few false positives and few false negatives) but is of course confined to just your desktop as it integrates with Outlook or Outlook Express.

I've been trialling Mailwasher Pro for the past week or so as I wanted something that could scrub spam from my POP3 accounts from home so there was less spam when I used webmail to look at my email from, say, work.

Early reports are that it isn't as accurate as Cloudmark - certainly not enough to be allowed to run unattended - and the two-stage process (ie. lack of integration) means spam can slip through in the gap between running Mailwasher and then Outlook.

So the jury is out for me at the moment. I may stick with Cloudmark.

Tafia

Original Poster:

2,658 posts

278 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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Just noticd that if I look at my mail via the Orange website, there is an option to "mark as spam"

Does that mean they will stop the ones I have marked or simply label them spam.

Most are titled undelivered mail. 289 this morn.

Thanks for all responses

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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The "undelivered" mail ones are a product of someone (or more likely something - ie a virus) faking your email address as a sender, and disgorging huge quantities of email onto the internet.

Gateway systems or open relays then accept these emails and try to forward them on to the recipient, only for them to be blocked. The gateway/relay server then generates a non delivery report and fires it back to you, one for every failed email.

The problem is that if you block all these non-delivered email reports, how will you know when a real email of yours is not delivered? If you can live with that, then a quick outlook filter should deal with these.

G Man

4,053 posts

290 months

Wednesday 13th September 2006
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If Outlook express marks the mails as spam in the Title just
Tools -> Message Rules -> Mail

Apply a message rule ...

Apply this rule after the message arrives
Where the Subject line contains 'SPAM'
Move it to the Deleted Items folder


Job Done

-DeaDLocK-

3,368 posts

281 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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For what it's worth, the built-in spam trap on Outlook 2003 is absolutely spot-on for me, with frequent "definition" updates from Microsoft. It has never caught something that isn't spam, and I only get about 5 messages a day max that slip through the net (out of a couple of hundred spam e-mails I receive daily).

I think this is one of those cases where something integrated into a Microsoft product functions just beautifully and is equal to, if not better, than the third party plugins available.

arfur

4,016 posts

244 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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Outlook 2003 will get rid of most spam, but the 'undelivered' 'mail failure ones' will slip through. Add a rule to delete mails with the words in and then an exception for returned mail that matches up with people you have send to ... This is what I do and it gets them all .. every time ( and I get a few hundered 'failed' mails a day ...

spitfire-ian

4,247 posts

258 months

Thursday 14th September 2006
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-DeaDLocK- said:
For what it's worth, the built-in spam trap on Outlook 2003 is absolutely spot-on for me, with frequent "definition" updates from Microsoft. It has never caught something that isn't spam, and I only get about 5 messages a day max that slip through the net (out of a couple of hundred spam e-mails I receive daily).

I think this is one of those cases where something integrated into a Microsoft product functions just beautifully and is equal to, if not better, than the third party plugins available.


Works really well for me too yes