Cerbera vs Cayman
Discussion
pikey said:
BCA said:
Also, you had a 4.5 - probably running about 350bhp, at the current rate of the tuning markets work - 420 will soon be the norm in the lightly modded 4.5 world, with 430 and beyond for a few more dedicated modders. Also, with a remap they run sooooo much smoother and there are now far more independants to look after them *PROPERLY* at a lower cost. Come back to the dark side. 
Power is nothing without control. I have a measily 295bhp but the level of balance is so superior I am much faster in the Gayman Coxster than I would ever be in a Cerbie (I am not a professional driver - just a boy who likes expensive toy cars!). Come back to the dark side. ANYWAY... 1) if I did get another it would be because I love the whole TVR passion and not because it's a "better" car ('cos it isn't!) and 2) you're off topic (start another thread and I'll join in!)
If you're at the Ring on <insert date to be agreed> I will gladly give you a demonstration. I'll also show you the magic of Porsche Stability Management system - the presence of which encourages me to *try* to use the bhp the car does have.
Pikey, you are right - I was off topic, my apologies.
I wasnt suggesting you should replace your Cayman, I fully appreciate that it is a very very accomplished car. I know the wonders of PSM/ german engineering/ a benign chassis that is massively more controlled than the Cerbera, I have been to many many Vmaxes and been astounded at the owners cars. I would also like to point out that I am not a hater of Porsche, I'll own a GT3 one day - a lovely mk1 in black most probably, it'll be a nice car to have alongside the Cerbera.
I also fully understand your comment about being faster in the Cayman than you could ever be in the Cerbera. I have not experienced a Cayman yet, but im willing to bet I would feel the same, the Cerb is not a car to suffer fools and like yourself, im no racing driver - infact, you are probably atleast 10x the driver I am.
To me, and I suspect many on here, that is part of the Cerbera appeal. The constant struggle to get the most out of the car, to endlessly improve ones skill and continually upping the adrenalin as every challenge is tackled. They are very different cars, which is why I suggested you should get one as a toy.
I fully accept the Cerbera has its faults, but I still believe it is unrivalled in terms of several aspects of its performance. I cannot comment on this fully as I have rarely had the opportunity to drive it in anger, but even still I can remember several of the corners at Harewood hillclimb (my first Cerb drive in anger, in the wet) - in perfect detail, every aspect about the noise, the edgy feeling as the car slid round, the disbelief at how I could hold it at such an angle and then firing it forward towards the next corner in an unrelenting surge tamed only by wheelspin.
FWIW, I also have seen the best of a cerberas performance, as my dad (and friends) compete various TVR's in the speed championship. In the right hands, with the right knowledge, these things can absolutely fly. I've seen my dads one beat a 993RS in the wet, around Three Sisters - and my dads is very road biased, with the cheapest non-TVR suspension available at the time.
Proof that they arent the one trick ponys most assume they are, though still, I bet it was terrifying in the Cerb and less scary in the porsche. That brings me on to another Cerbera high point, one thats progressed most recently - tuning. There are now massive gains to be had in all areas of Cerbera improvement that simply did not exist three years ago. The suspension can be completely transformed with a more considered set up and far superior dampers/ springs. There are remaps that give the cars a much better torque curve and smooth out the lower rpm harshness. I could go on, but theres little point - the two are very different.
to conclude:
The Porsche Cayman is a great car.
The TVR Cerbera is a great car.
Both in different ways.
Edited by BCA on Monday 18th September 16:29
I can't believe you were so gentle with him Ben. My Cerb is pretty much standard, and i have seen off Boxsters, GT3's and GT4's, so i reckon a Caymen would be no trouble (even less so to our brethren who have had slight mods to their Cerbs)
Don't concede to the man that his Caymen is faster than a Cerb, 'cos it ain't
Don't concede to the man that his Caymen is faster than a Cerb, 'cos it ain't
gbbird said:
I can't believe you were so gentle with him Ben. My Cerb is pretty much standard, and i have seen off Boxsters, GT3's and GT4's, so i reckon a Caymen would be no trouble (even less so to our brethren who have had slight mods to their Cerbs)
Don't concede to the man that his Caymen is faster than a Cerb, 'cos it ain't
Don't concede to the man that his Caymen is faster than a Cerb, 'cos it ain't
Ok, but point to point, down a wet unknown B-road - the cayman may be quicker, I have no real experience with these so I guess I may overestimate the caymans pace?
Maybe I was a little kind, but my main point is that the two cars arent comparable, and I never suggested he should replace it with the Cerb. Merely he should get one as a toy.
Its already stated on here that there are various Cerbs who have taken several of Porsches finest handling offerings at some of the most technical circuits/ b-road situations imaginable - but it takes alot of skill to get such results out of a Cerb compared to say, a PSM equipped Cayman, which I believe was Mr Pikes point. Fair play to him, hes an ex-cerb owner, so his comparisons are valid, if he believes hes quicker in the cayman, I believe him, thats not to say that with more courage/skill the Cerb wouldnt leave it lagging behind. Perhaps we should invite him to a sprint/hillclimb for a direct comparison?
Jes
still yet to meet you, but your times at various events are superb. Hope to catch you at a sprint/hillclimb next year. ...and if I follow you down the twisty/wet road in my Subaru I will overtake you all.
The point really must be which car gives you the best driving experience. The subaru I have is fast, faster than most cars on the road, but its downsides are that its a bit chav looking and does not give you that sense of excitement that you get in the driving seat like the TVR does.
The point really must be which car gives you the best driving experience. The subaru I have is fast, faster than most cars on the road, but its downsides are that its a bit chav looking and does not give you that sense of excitement that you get in the driving seat like the TVR does.
mr fix it said:
...and if I follow you down the twisty/wet road in my Subaru I will overtake you all.
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And if I followed you all across a ploughed field my series 2A Land Rover would leave you all for dead. Having said that I was out in my Saggy on Sunday when a Cayman was by my side, my oil temp was 20 so couldn't play
Edited by L1OFF on Tuesday 19th September 13:54
L1OFF said:
mr fix it said:
...and if I follow you down the twisty/wet road in my Subaru I will overtake you all.
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And if I followed you all across a ploughed field my series 2A Land Rover would leave you all for dead. Having said that I was out in my Saggy on Sunday when a Cayman was by my side, my oil temp was 20 so couldn't play
Edited by L1OFF on Tuesday 19th September 13:54
Did you still beat it?
couldnt resist.
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