RE: Subaru updates 4WD Legacy
RE: Subaru updates 4WD Legacy
Tuesday 19th September 2006

Subaru updates 4WD Legacy

Facelift, new engine management and interior


2007 Subaru Legacy 3.0
2007 Subaru Legacy 3.0
2007 Subaru Legacy Sport Tourer 3.0
2007 Subaru Legacy Sport Tourer 3.0

Subaru has updated the 2007 range of Legacy saloon, Sports Tourer and crossover Outback range with new interiors, facelifts, and a so-called three engines in one drive system for the 242bhp three-litre models. They'll all be here in autumn.

Originally launched for the ’04 model year, the ’07 Legacy gets better chassis dynamics, and equipment levels, according to Subaru.

Subaru likes to pitch the Legacy against BMW's offerings, pointing out that its cars are cheaper. For example, the range starts at £17,995 on-the-road for the 2-litre saloon. It includes a bunch of options as standard, including dual-zone climate-control, cruise control, front, side and curtain airbags, a leather Momo steering wheel, 215/45 tyres on 17 x 7 ins alloy wheels, HID headlamps with pop-out washers, electrically-folding door mirrors, a six-disc in-dash CD player with MP3 facility, front projector foglamps and Subaru’s symmetrical all-wheel drive system.

‘Three Engines In One’ SI-Drive

The three engines in one claim comes as a result of the company's electronic engine management system -- the so-called Subaru Intelligent Drive, which is standard on all three-litre models.

SI-Drive provides three engine-response programmes allowing the driver to choose between economy, normal or sporty characteristics, dubbed ‘Intelligent’, ‘Sport’ or ‘Sport Sharp’. The modes are selected by a dial on the centre console or via buttons on the steering wheel.

Intelligent Mode optimises the fuel consumption of the six-pot boxer engine and is, said Subaru, most useful in gentle city driving or for long-distance cruising. It gives a soft throttle response, smooth driving characteristics and is economy-focused. It's best matched to the automatic transmission versions which change up early into the highest gear possible and only kick-down when the accelerator is firmly pushed.

Another aid to fuel economy is an ECO gauge installed in the lower portion of the speedometer. This illustrates the difference between current and average mpg. The multi-function display also provides fuel economy read-outs, while the manual-transmission Legacy 3.0R spec.B has a shift-up indicator to promote more economical driving.

Sport Mode provides the best day-to-day compromise for open road driving, reckons Scoobie. It gives a linear throttle response, achieving a good balance between lively acceleration for brisk overtaking and refined overall use. It provides "a more sensitive connection between the driver's right foot and the engine".

Meanwhile, Sport Sharp Mode is more linear and, on automatic versions, it will kick-down early and holds on to lower gears until the rev-limit when needed.

All 3-litre models now have paddle-shifts on each side of the steering wheel, and a downshift blipping control which momentarily raises engine revs for smoother, faster gear-changes, reckons Subaru.

Other improvements for ’07 include better engine response at low to medium speeds for the 3-litre engine in the Legacy and Outback.

Although the 219lb-ft of torque at 4,200 rpm remains the same, pulling power is greater all the way from idle to 3,500 rpm, being especially higher at 3,000 rpm. This improves throttle response and real world fuel economy, reckons Subaru. As before, the Legacy spec.B saloon is the fastest of the 3-litre models with a top speed of 151 mph and 0-60 mph time of 6.5 seconds.

The 3-litre’s torque improvement is thanks to revisions to the intake/exhaust camshaft profile and improved exhaust port shape for better gas flow.

Official fuel economy is virtually identical to ’06 models. The Legacy and Outback 3-litre automatic models, for example, give 38.2 mpg on the Extra Urban Cycle.

Chassis

Steering and handling precision plus ride comfort have been improved throughout the range. The rear suspension geometry is changed while the body is more rigid, especially around the front suspension mounts and frame supports.

In addition, 3-litre models have extra stays between the A-posts and door sills which further enhance body strength and therefore steering response and general stability.

On the Outback, the front and rear dampers have been softened for an even better ride while all models enjoy a weight reduction to the rear suspension yet have stronger mounting points.

The ’07 Legacy and Outback are the first Subaru models to debut a mechanical brake support system. This senses an emergency situation and applies additional brake pressure if it feels the driver is not pressing the pedal hard enough.

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HUGE

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1,138 posts

306 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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test drove the current one......proper Q-car rocketship in 3.0l spec-B configuration and VERY good value-for-money.......couldnt justify the 20-22 mpg (the claimed 38mpg is laughable) so bought a 2.0l tdi Audi....why still no diesel variant Subaru?????? (sorry to sound like an old fart)

sprinter885

11,550 posts

249 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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HUGE said:
test drove the current one......proper Q-car rocketship in 3.0l spec-B configuration and VERY good value-for-money.......couldnt justify the 20-22 mpg (the claimed 38mpg is laughable) so bought a 2.0l tdi Audi....why still no diesel variant Subaru?????? (sorry to sound like an old fart)


Tend to agree. Always felt Legacy offered good VFM & fun by the bundle in 3.0RSpec B. Different kettle of fish to say, sporty A6 estate.Could use estate version too but put off by reported poor economy, quality of interiors & remoteness of dealerships. Maybe above will help economy a bit.

jaker

3,944 posts

291 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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I know Subaru are addicted to their petrol boxer engines, could a diesel boxer be possible?

sprinter885

11,550 posts

249 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Maybe not a boxer but Subaru could always talk to JCB-they seem to know a thing or two 'bout sporty diesels

GravelBen

16,321 posts

252 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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Well Subaru have never made a diesel, but no doubt theres somebody within Fuji Heavy Industries that knows a few things about diesels...I imagine the reason they haven't gone that way is that they think diesel doesn't fit with their sporty/prestige image (that they have everywhere except UK/Europe it seems).


This facelift seems nice enough, I suspect I'd leave it in 'sports sharp' mode all the time hehe

I've heard that the Outback version is actually more fun to drive than the lower, stiffer 3.0R, as the extra softness and weight transfer makes it easier to slide around and get some oversteer happening. Obviously doesn't carry as much speed through the corners, but is more entertaining while it does it.

R998

7,495 posts

251 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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jaker said:
I know Subaru are addicted to their petrol boxer engines, could a diesel boxer be possible?


The Legacy will have a diesel boxer by the end of 2007 or beginning of 2008.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11997143/

Witchfinder

6,360 posts

274 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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I like the Spec B., but it felt very cheap inside compared to my Mondeo. In the end, I bought the Ford.

VladD

8,136 posts

287 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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This is where I don't get you diesel chaps. Willing to spend 30K on a car, but want a diesel because you're worried about running costs. Just doesn't add up for me.

Personally, part of the attraction of Subaru is that they don't make a diesel. When they start I may have to start shopping elsewhere. Can you imaging an Impreza that looks like an STi, but with a clattery diesel noise instead of that lovely boxer growl. Makes you shiver.

Fish

4,056 posts

304 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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We've got a 3.0spec B and I can confirm yes they are quick, handling is good and fuel economy if rediculus.

Nice cars and very Q car

doshy

857 posts

239 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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My 2.5 outback does an average of 33mpg. I shall be ordering the 3 litre because for the money build quality and the fun, I can't find anything else that comes close.

huge

Original Poster:

1,138 posts

306 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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VladD said:
This is where I don't get you diesel chaps. Willing to spend 30K on a car, but want a diesel because you're worried about running costs. Just doesn't add up for me.

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its a strange one have to agree,and I understand where youre coming from.....I justify it by closing my eyes while writing the cheque for the car,its one-off payment syndrome I guess.What sticks in my throat is putting in 60 quid a week for petrol...the Scot in me loves seeing the range readout go to 600,700-800 miles when I put the oily stuff in....

jaker

3,944 posts

291 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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VladD said:
This is where I don't get you diesel chaps. Willing to spend 30K on a car, but want a diesel because you're worried about running costs. Just doesn't add up for me.

Personally, part of the attraction of Subaru is that they don't make a diesel. When they start I may have to start shopping elsewhere. Can you imaging an Impreza that looks like an STi, but with a clattery diesel noise instead of that lovely boxer growl. Makes you shiver.


take your point entirely. However, if you do lots of miles, diesel starts becoming a fair old bit cheaper.

For what you get, Subarus are not expensive cars anyway (imo) so they tempt the more financially careful anyway... I just love the idea of a proper 4wd system and 45mpg...

CatherineJ

9,586 posts

265 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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HUGE said:
test drove the current one......proper Q-car rocketship in 3.0l spec-B configuration and VERY good value-for-money.......couldnt justify the 20-22 mpg (the claimed 38mpg is laughable) so bought a 2.0l tdi Audi....why still no diesel variant Subaru?????? (sorry to sound like an old fart)


Totally agree, I had the saloon version of the Spec B when they first came out. It was the fuel consomption that killed it in the end.

lugs

74 posts

271 months

Tuesday 19th September 2006
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I've had a Spec B for over a year and with 40k miles on the clock I've averaged between 26 and 27mpg with 30mpg on motorways. This average is from a 10 mile commute plus regular trips into Europe - 200 miles on the Autobahn at 120 - 140 mph cruise saw 25 mpg. So why all the moaning about economy? Look at the Audi A6 3 litre quattro - broadly the same. In fact any similar power car offers similar performance and economy. If you're interested in economy then buy a Prius.

Add in the savings from the purchase cost (27k GBP) compared to an equivalent spec Audi or BMW (33k + GBP) and over a lifetime of ownership (5 years say) I reckon the books would about balance. Add in the 51% residuals and it makes even more sense.

As for diesel, well I'll need a lot of convincing that's the way to go. The sound of a flat six running round to 7k rpm is magical, and a significant part of the driving experience is gained from working a free revving petrol engine. Diesel simply doesn't float my boat. All very subjective, but for me there is absolutely no reason why I would want pedal a diesel. I struggle to see why anyone would. Seriously, I'd be bored out of my mind in a 2.0 TDI Audi.

As for build quality, I also have a Mondeo TDCi and a ST TDCI on the company fleet. The Subaru is way ahead. In fact nothing has broken or fallen off in 30k miles of hard use. That cannot be said for the Fords - I've already had to have the sun visor, electric window switches, door trim, power steering pump, alternator, and starter motor replaced on one of them - after less than 20k.

Overall a fine all round car. Discrete and swift...but with a shocking stereo. Glad to see they've changed that bit. Oh, and the paint scratches if you so much as look at it. However, the bottom line is that I'd buy another without hesitation when I come to change mine.

A Scotsman

1,001 posts

221 months

Wednesday 19th September 2007
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It's a pity Subaru doesn't import the Australian Legacy - which for some reason they call a Liberty - into the UK.

Then we'd get the GT Spec B which has the 2.5 litre engine with a twin scroll turbo, six speed box and Bilstein suspension. That then would be tweakable to give say 300bhp like any other STI type engine..

http://www.subaru.com.au/models/liberty/

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

248 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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I think you're all missing the point of a possible Subaru derived oil burner. I would love that to happen, then i can have my quick weekend and trackday Scoobie with a decent performing oil burner for daily use.

I can only imagine the kind of performance you would get from a hot Subaru diesel engine, and coupled with the 4WD system it would make the perfect daily driver and mile muncher. I think then you could easily forget your VW/Audi TDi's, BMW & Toyota D's.

I don't think that's a bad thing and would only enhance the image. Subaru engineering is clearly some of the very best there is on this planet and using that skill to design powerful and smooth boxer 4 and 6 pot oil burners IMHO is the way to go.


Orangecurry

7,762 posts

228 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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ScoobieWRX said:
..... Subaru engineering is clearly some of the very best there is on this planet and using that skill to design powerful and smooth boxer 4 and 6 pot oil burners IMHO is the way to go.
good points well made.... so why can't they design the outside of a car so that it doesn't make you feel ill? hehe

Actually the Legacy isn't that bad - why isn't the Impreza designer allowed to talk to the Legacy designer?

Edited by Orangecurry on Thursday 20th September 12:09

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

248 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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The Japs have come out with some really good looking cars like the NSX/350Z/Supra etc...

I think Subaru have totally forgotten that although they have always been a function over form company it would be nice if they actually gave some thought to what the finished artcle looks like. The new Impreza is a case in point although the legacy looks quite a handsome beast even in estate form and very much the Q-car.

Engineers at the Subaru Style department need to get a life and do some drugs to let their minds wander off a bit as I think they're drinking too much green tea and they probably don't get out much hehe

stevieb

5,253 posts

289 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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I would like to have a legacy wagon over a impreza wagon any day, a perfect Q car

Especially the Legacy STi model cloud9 a tru family car for a dad who is going through a midlife crisis





Edited by stevieb on Thursday 20th September 12:50

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

248 months

Thursday 20th September 2007
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Spot on...that looks a stunner!!

However....you won't see which way my ugly sportwagon dissappeared down that twisty B road hehe



Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 20th September 12:57


P.S. That really does look every bit the street sleeper and i wouldn't say no. I wouldn't mind those wheels though on mine, in black please!!

Edited by ScoobieWRX on Thursday 20th September 13:02