Hot wires vs. Flappers...
Hot wires vs. Flappers...
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Miss Vixey

Original Poster:

339 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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Hello everyone,

Just a quick note to firstly say a big "Thank You" to all the kind messages ref my 400/450SE wanted topic. Some very interesting leads have come from this and some really lovely cars on offer... We are hoping to view several this weekend.

Does anyone have a view as to whether the earlier "flappers" are inferior/superior in any way to the later "hot wired" cars... The only difference I can think of is that the flappers are aurally a lot more exciting aurally ie woofles/pops/bangs on the overrun but I have been told that the later hot wired cars are better at keeping cool in traffic.

Any thoughts?

matt-man

2,667 posts

248 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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Well i would of course be totally biast in saying that only really cool people have flappers....!paperbag *Matt-Man grabs his coat to make a swift exit!*

Seriously though, the popping and banging is just so utterly entertaining and makes the car sound just as good when slowing down as the noise it made accellerating! shoot

Ive had absolutely no problems with my wedge overheating in traffic...even in the sweltering heat of lemans this year, i crawled in traffic for about two hours and shes fine.party

jagdpanther

19,633 posts

248 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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I was told by an early wedge owner that the flappers sound better with a surge of snaps and snarls, but suffer somewhat in the economy department by 5 or so mpg and vice versa for the hotwire

hope this is of some use

jchase

572 posts

288 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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My old 350iFHC was a flapper, and managed to get 28mpg on a 2,000 mile round trip to sweden, including a lot of autobahn fun. By comparison, my 280i barely managed to get 20mpg on a good day. Hotwires have ever so slightly more scope for tuning, as the flapper is essentially mapped by the transfer function of the air flow meter, and the hotwire has slightly higher flow rate injectors, and can be remapped by two or three people in the UK.

The 390SE I have has a modified flapper, and presumably the fuel pressure was changed at the factory - to what I don't know, but she won't idle if the pressure is over 2.5Bar. She does sound fantastic on coast down, I will try to emulate the coast down fueling when I install my megasquirt ECU in the near future.

-Jim

Miss Vixey

Original Poster:

339 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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All interesting responses - thanks guys.

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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The might be a slight economy advantage to a hotwire and a better soundtrack to the flapper cars.. I don't think it should be something to influence your buying decision.

Miss Vixey

Original Poster:

339 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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Thank you.

l33

3,469 posts

253 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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Swings and roundabouts.
Hotwire cars are smoother and more tunable. Flapper cars are more entertaining with pops and bangs.
Whatever floats your boat really...
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combine

3,114 posts

258 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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If you can get a flapper in the engine size you are looking for I would go for it , the sound especially if its a sports exhaust is well worth it . Only my opinion.

wedgtable

317 posts

255 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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Sorry got to put this in:

Who bought their Wedge for it's economy????

driving

matt-man

2,667 posts

248 months

Thursday 28th September 2006
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oh i bought mine for economy...youve seen me drive after all mike!

jmorgan

36,010 posts

313 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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wedgtable said:
Sorry got to put this in:

Who bought their Wedge for it's economy????

driving


I looked up economy, then threw the dictionary out the window.

chassis 33

6,194 posts

311 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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I don't quite understand all these folks who say hotwires dont pop and bang, I promise you they will, you just have to twiddle with the AFM to assist you...

Regards
Iain

dickkark

748 posts

250 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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my capri(5.0)runs hotwire x2, pops and bangs nicely thank you.
and less troublesome in my experience.

Edited by dickkark on Friday 29th September 08:53

wedgtable

317 posts

255 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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matt-man said:
oh i bought mine for economy...youve seen me drive after all mike!


Do speeding fines count against economy???

Edited by wedgtable on Friday 29th September 12:54

badredwedge

3,450 posts

257 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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wedgtable said:


Do speeding fines count against economy???



Dont Know I will have to ask Blaine hehe Or Weeman yikes

Miss Vixey

Original Poster:

339 posts

260 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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chassis 33 said:
I don't quite understand all these folks who say hotwires dont pop and bang, I promise you they will, you just have to twiddle with the AFM to assist you...

Regards
Iain


What do you do to the AFM (presumably air flow meter?)......

l33

3,469 posts

253 months

Friday 29th September 2006
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Miss Vixey said:
chassis 33 said:
I don't quite understand all these folks who say hotwires dont pop and bang, I promise you they will, you just have to twiddle with the AFM to assist you...

Regards
Iain


What do you do to the AFM (presumably air flow meter?)......


yes