9m 968 Supercharger conversion

[ninemeister]

Well folks, the 968 blower conversion is finally running. For all interested parties, get your bum over to Oulton Park on 22nd March where Paul will be trying it in anger for the first time.

I'll be power testing it on Tuesday next (11th), expect to see the dyno results on our web site the same day.

PS. Spins tyres (P Zero C) in the dry with a prod of the throttle in 2nd or 3rd at 3000 rpm. Hmmmmm, might just have to investigate in a 968 for Sarah......

[HermanTheGerman]

Nice one 9M.

I can't make the meet but look forward to the dyno results.

I'll check your website for more details and prices etc.

[domster]

Cool...

Who made the supercharger Colin? Was it a Vortech or Eaton?

Cheers
Dom

[scottster]

Can you do a discount for Herman and my machine booked in at the same time?

[BarryG]

Colin,

Do you have any idea how much this conversion is going to cost? With all this extra power, do you need to beef up the clutch/gearbox/brakes?

Barry.

[ninemeister]

I cannot claim fame on the design of the kit, but suffice to say that it will no doubt be subjected to the usual 9m refinement over the coming months. We reckon that the stock clutch will be fine, and since the gearbox has been well proven on tuned 951s I don't think you will have an issue here either. Traction, however, will be a problem!

The kit will cost around £4750 + VAT including the blower, pipework, intercooler, injectors and dme remapping. Fitting will be £500 + VAT.

Regarding discounts (already!!!!), sorry but the package has cost so much to do it is list price or nothing.

I'll post more info, dyno runs and photos on our site as soon as.

[AJLintern]

Much as I'd love to fit a supercharger to my S2, I doubt whether I'd be able to afford it (the car only cost £6500!) Apart from the cheaper option of putting a 944 turbo engine in, are there any other engine options that could be developed for the 944/968? I know Renegade Hybrids in the states do V8 convertions, would a 928 engine fit? It would probably be lighter than a normal US V8. I suppose you could say 'why not just get a 928?' They are a heavier and are mainly autos - and I already have a 944. The cost could be offset by selling the existing engine - how much would a reconditioned 928 V8 cost?
I do love my 944, but this could add just whats missing: more power and the sound of a V8!

[Thom]

Andy, don't rule out the 928 so quickly

I had a passenger ride in an manual S4 and I have to say this engine is absolutely fabulous: the torque delivered is amazing and the car is much more agile than it suggests (the one I went in had a TechArt suspension). Btw if you actually look at the weight figures an S4 is not far heavier than a loaded 996...only more powerful
And there's that "I own the road would please get out of my way you numpty" factor

Since I had a go in it I am seriously considering an S4 GT as a replacement of my humble 944.

[AJLintern]

Yes Thom, I certainly agree that the 928 is quite formidable, though it's forte is as a continent eating GT. I prefer a lighter sportscar, though even the 944 at over 1300kg is a bit lardy. However, it has such great potential, as can be seen from its evolution into the 968CS. But it could always have handled more power and I just want the other half of my engine back

[HermanTheGerman]

ninemeister said:
The kit will cost around £4750 + VAT including the blower, pipework, intercooler, injectors and dme remapping. Fitting will be £500 + VAT.

Regarding discounts (already!!!!), sorry but the package has cost so much to do it is list price or nothing.

Scottster,

I'll go halves with you. You can have it on Tuesdays and I'll have it the rest of the week

[scottster]

C'mon Herman, for a high flying City boy like yourself this is small change!!

ps: 9M, only joking about a discount, I'll start saving instead.

[ninemeister]

Results from the first dyno session today, compared to the best we could get from a totally standard M030 968 on Motec.



>> Edited by ninemeister on Wednesday 19th March 01:02

[bluesatin]

That is one big hole in the torque curve. You can feel it in the standard 968cs but this looks at lot bigger if i have read the chart correctly. Is this going to be corrected and why do you need variable valve timing on a supercharged engine. Finally I can't believe that dom the mod has not stopped this blatant advertising!!

[ninemeister]

I'm sorry if the hole in the torque curve offends you Guy, try as we could we could not repair the damage done by using the lousy Porsche designed intake manifold, the dip thus becoming an exagerated characteristic of the standard car dur to the stupendous top end. Did you miss the fact that we have a 350bhp 968 with almost 300bhp at the wheels?

Oh, and I'm also sorry that this blatant advertising is giving people something interesting to talk about. S'funny thing, advertising. Like how I have been grilled on this site about Motec 964's, answered everyone's questions, in detail, and not had one order for the conversion as a result, but I'm happy, because at last the misinformation that is banded around by those who think they know is disappearing slowly.

If you think I'm advertising for percsonal gain, do something about it. In the long run everyone will be so much better off discussing the best options to have on a Cayenne, I'm sure. After all, Pistonheads is not a performance orientated site, is it?

[bluesatin]

If a question about your first run of a new piece of equipment causes such a negative response it is pointless asking more!

>> Edited by bluesatin on Wednesday 12th March 06:48

[peter_964rs]

ninemeister said:
Like how I have been grilled on this site about Motec 964's, answered everyone's questions, in detail, and not had one order for the conversion as a result, but I'm happy, because at last the misinformation that is banded around by those who think they know is disappearing slowly.

Dude

I sent an email on Monday asking for a quote for MoTECing my car plus service and other sundry stuff as I need to book it in before I dash off to Spa with Mr. Palmer. Did you not get it?

Cheers

[domster]

ninemeister said: I'm sorry if the hole in the torque curve offends you Guy, try as we could we could not repair the damage done by using the lousy Porsche designed intake manifold, the dip thus becoming an exagerated characteristic of the standard car dur to the stupendous top end. Did you miss the fact that we have a 350bhp 968 with almost 300bhp at the wheels?

Oh, and I'm also sorry that this blatant advertising is giving people something interesting to talk about. S'funny thing, advertising. Like how I have been grilled on this site about Motec 964's, answered everyone's questions, in detail, and not had one order for the conversion as a result, but I'm happy, because at last the misinformation that is banded around by those who think they know is disappearing slowly.

If you think I'm advertising for percsonal gain, do something about it. In the long run everyone will be so much better off discussing the best options to have on a Cayenne, I'm sure. After all, Pistonheads is not a performance orientated site, is it?

Just to clarify a few points here, especially as Guy gave me a name check earlier on

1) There is a very fine line between communicating relevant information to the PH community, and blatant advertising. I have read virtually all of 9Ms posts, and he has walked the line extremely well and conscientiously IMHO. I believe that the info re 968 Supercharger conversions and air intake manifolds will be relevant to a number of readers on this forum with 968s and 944s, and that it is fair for 9M to announce any of his new inventions and get some feedback - positive or negative, as is the nature of an open forum. If Colin was to keep going on about the conversion every other thread, mentioning 'sale must end tomorrow', 'hurry these conversions won't hang around' etc and generally acting as a trader, then the situation would be different. But he doesn't, and in fact most forum members may not even know that he has a relevant business.

2) 9M has been a valued member of this forum, and has - as he points out - given some very useful advice over many months. Certainly if I hadn't got a new home and an Ultima kit, nor disposed of the Red Baron, he would be fettling it already with MoTeC bits. Sadly, the allocated cash went on bricks and mortar. However, his comments are good for us and good for him, depsite a paucity of orders... his reputation is pretty good amongst those who know him here, and they will be recommending him to others and mentioning his name. Anyway, the point is that if you are a regular or valuable contibutor, then you may be allowed a little leeway in certain forum issues. Like we don't mind if DeR posts in a foreign language , or Scottster gets a bit lewd or mentions Chelsea FC . This doesn't mean people can take the piss. Just that other members of the forum are likely to be able to read their comments in the right context.

3) Any comments regarding moderation should be emailed off list to either Daz (Dazren), Steve (sb930) or myself, rather than being mentioned publicly. After all, 9M may feel he has been accused of breaching forum rules, when I think that this is not the case.

So back to the Cayenne options... electric heated cup holders anyone?

Rgds
Domster





>> Edited by domster (moderator) on Wednesday 12th March 10:20

[HermanTheGerman]

BlueSatin,

I hope that your comments re advertising were light hearted and that 9M has mistakenly taken them to heart.

If not, please stop trying to prevent the NineMeister from posting his findings on this site. As a 968 CS owner myself, I am of course very interested in anything that is being done to increase the power of these cars. Colin should be applauded for actually trying to do something with a 968 as there's nobody else in this country doing much at the moment.

If anybody does know of any other tuning options for the 968, please post the details here. If you call that advertsing, then so be it, but I still want to know about them.

[PetrolTed]

9M and I have conversed on the matter.

It's a fine line which he's kept the right side of to date. By far the majority of the contributions have been made to proffer advice or to post about a project of interest.

I do have to be hard on advertising within the forums as advertising pays for this site. Anyone using the forums to advertise rather than contributing financially to the running of ths site, both irritates me and makes it difficult when negotiating with other potential advertisers.

We know where the line is - 9M is now more aware of it but hopefully this won't stop valuable contributions still being made.

[bluesatin]

Dear all

The advertising part was a joke and to be taken lightly but the other parts of the post were serious.