Has anyone used Ferodo DS2500 on a Tuscan?
Discussion
I would also be interested in a comparison between these and the standard Tuscan Pads. just picked up a set of standard rears from a dealer after weeks of chasing. Apparently none have been manufactured for about 8 months.
I understand that Chim/Cerb pads will fit the rear but are the wrong compound and can cause rear lockups under hard braking? True/False?
I understand that Chim/Cerb pads will fit the rear but are the wrong compound and can cause rear lockups under hard braking? True/False?
Not sure about the Chim/Cerb bit but I don't seem to have any trouble finding pads just looking for some that work and last more than one track day. Steer clear of EBC Red Stuff if you can.... I had a very bad experience with those following a day on Brands Hatch GP circuit with new pads fitted I had no brakes on the way home.
I've had ds2500s in my standard Tuscan for about 3 months. They are miles better (and cheaper) than the TVR compound. I found the TVR ones to lack bite and fade under heavy use. It also improves the handbrake performance.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
basil brush said:
I've had ds2500s in my standard Tuscan for about 3 months. They are miles better (and cheaper) than the TVR compound. I found the TVR ones to lack bite and fade under heavy use. It also improves the handbrake performance.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
Is it the brakes or is it engine braking at high revs. Not sure about TVR not getting the balance right i find them pretty well spot on..?
yi8tvr said:
basil brush said:
I've had ds2500s in my standard Tuscan for about 3 months. They are miles better (and cheaper) than the TVR compound. I found the TVR ones to lack bite and fade under heavy use. It also improves the handbrake performance.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
Is it the brakes or is it engine braking at high revs. Not sure about TVR not getting the balance right i find them pretty well spot on..?
It's the brakes, as I've dipped the clutch when I've been testing it. A few other people have had the same issue.
basil brush said:
yi8tvr said:
basil brush said:
I've had ds2500s in my standard Tuscan for about 3 months. They are miles better (and cheaper) than the TVR compound. I found the TVR ones to lack bite and fade under heavy use. It also improves the handbrake performance.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
Is it the brakes or is it engine braking at high revs. Not sure about TVR not getting the balance right i find them pretty well spot on..?
It's the brakes, as I've dipped the clutch when I've been testing it. A few other people have had the same issue.
Well i have not heard of that one ? Hope you get that sorted asap, could be nasty with winter upon us..
basil brush said:
yi8tvr said:
basil brush said:
I've had ds2500s in my standard Tuscan for about 3 months. They are miles better (and cheaper) than the TVR compound. I found the TVR ones to lack bite and fade under heavy use. It also improves the handbrake performance.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
I do have a problem with my rears locking up first though, but it did that before. I understand TVR have a habit of not getting the balance right on a lot of their cars.
Is it the brakes or is it engine braking at high revs. Not sure about TVR not getting the balance right i find them pretty well spot on..?
It's the brakes, as I've dipped the clutch when I've been testing it. A few other people have had the same issue.
Just a comment (please don't take offence) - if you brake hard from high speed and dip the clutch (as you describe) the car will feel far less balanced compared to doing the same thing and dipping the clutch at the last possible moment i.e. just before you would stall the engine. You are far more likely to lock the rears if you dip the clutch. I have a Griff which people regularly say has rear brake bias but like Mark, I find it spot on.
GarryM said:
basil brush said:
It's the brakes, as I've dipped the clutch when I've been testing it. A few other people have had the same issue.
Just a comment (please don't take offence) - if you brake hard from high speed and dip the clutch (as you describe) the car will feel far less balanced compared to doing the same thing and dipping the clutch at the last possible moment i.e. just before you would stall the engine. You are far more likely to lock the rears if you dip the clutch. I have a Griff which people regularly say has rear brake bias but like Mark, I find it spot on.
No problem. I like to listen to all opinions.
I didn't mean that I'd just dipped the clutch and jumped on the brake pedal. I was trying to find the lock up point of the brakes when braking hard from about 60 or so, and was trying to gradually increase the effort. I dipped the clutch when the engine speed was getting low and was surprised that the rears locked up, sending it sliding to one side I guess at around 25 mph or so. The fronts didn't even try to lock up.
I'm going to look into it further as the car has sometimes been a bit lively under hard braking.
basil brush said:
I didn't mean that I'd just dipped the clutch and jumped on the brake pedal. I was trying to find the lock up point of the brakes when braking hard from about 60 or so, and was trying to gradually increase the effort. I dipped the clutch when the engine speed was getting low and was surprised that the rears locked up, sending it sliding to one side I guess at around 25 mph or so. The fronts didn't even try to lock up.
I'm going to look into it further as the car has sometimes been a bit lively under hard braking.
I'm going to look into it further as the car has sometimes been a bit lively under hard braking.
Until it was pointed out to me a few years ago, I was dipping the clutch just a moment or so after applying the brake. I was probably taught that 20 odd years ago (doing emergency stops from 30mph! ) but it is really inappropriate for TVRs - the difference is very obvious when you leave the clutch right up to the point of stalling. The other thing is that until I started track driving I had never practiced or had instruction on how to brake from high speed. My car felt very twitchy to start with and I latched on to the "TVRs have too much rear bias" mantra. A couple of more knowledgeable drivers and my garage advised me that the balance was fine and suggested I would get used to it after a bit of practice. They were right.
I'm not suggesting it's the same for you - your situation doesn't sound right at all. It sounds like you need a thorough service of the brakes. Good luck!
I'm not sure if anyone will be interested but I used the DS3000 pads at Bedford on the GT circuit and they were great plus they're still good. There is a lot of brake squeel with them but that's a small price to pay for stopping!! I'll let you know about the DS2500 when they're tried but I would recommend the DS3000 so far.
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