RE: Cheap speed camera heralds huge expansion?
RE: Cheap speed camera heralds huge expansion?
Wednesday 11th October 2006

Cheap speed camera heralds huge expansion?

Tiny camera measures speed over distance


Spike - spot this
Spike - spot this
There’s a new speed camera on the block -- and it could be in force in huge numbers quite shortly.

Called Spike, it can measure how fast a car has travelled over a distance, rather than snapping it just at the point when it passes the device.

The only system that was been able to do this until now was SPECS (Speed Check Enforcement System). It costs hundreds of thousands of pounds, which has limited its implementation.

Spike costs just £20,000, in the same price range as a Gatso. The system, which is also portable, has been submitted to the Home Office for approval, according to a report in The Telegraph. What's more it's tiny and hard to spot.

PIPS, the company which makes the product, boasts that Devon County Council plans to install the system around Exeter and Newton Abbott, with further expansion planned for Barnstaple and Totnes.

Bizarrely, the AA Trust said that the system would cut down on people driving into trees and undertaking rash overtaking manoeuvres on single carriageway roads.

Road safety campaign Safe Speed's Paul Smith said: "This will lead to people looking at their speedometers every couple of seconds, rather than looking at the road. It is the massively expensive cost of the Specs system that has stopped it being introduced more widely. Speed cameras are highly destructive and ones which take an average are even more so."

"Research commissioned by the Highways Agency, the largest of its kind, associated average speed cameras with a 4.5 per cent increase in crashes in motorway road works sections, and a 6.7 per cent increase in crashes on open motorways.

"We know for sure that road safety hasn't improved as expected in the speed camera era. I believe that this is because speed camera come with dangerous side effects. All cameras cause side effects, but the side effects of average speed cameras appear to be especially subtle and insidious.

"Speed camera side effects are everywhere, but none of them have been adequately studied."

Picture courtesy PIPS Technology

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Chris944

Original Poster:

357 posts

260 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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For God's sake, speeding is becoming like drinking alcohol in prohibition times. There will be a massive increase in camera vandalisism....

Chris.

ashes

628 posts

284 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Might as well send your licence to Swansea now....

Tied in with the new Road 'Safety' Bill they will be doing you for 2-3mph over so bye-bye licence!

Off to buy a cart for my horse!

sprinter885

11,550 posts

257 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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OH B*GGER !!!eek YEP could be time to get horse & cart-but they'll probably legislate against horses & droppings...

p.s. Hoping they'll show up on GPS camera detectors

Edited by sprinter885 on Wednesday 11th October 11:15

cptsideways

13,888 posts

282 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Only works if you have a reflective front plate & it'll simply increase the number of cloned plates even further. Safety my ass rage

Time for a drivers revolt or time to check the ferry times & your house value & leave the country alltogether.

new111s

12 posts

272 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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so lets get this straight a safety campaigner saying it's better to be looking at your speedometer than the road?? GENIUS

Davel

8,982 posts

288 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Where did it say that?

I read it that people will be so busy watching their speedos that more accidents will take place.

Matt1986

3,293 posts

245 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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cptsideways said:
Only works if you have a reflective front plate & it'll simply increase the number of cloned plates even further. Safety my ass rage

Time for a drivers revolt or time to check the ferry times & your house value & leave the country alltogether.


My front plate seems to always be hitting rabbits and breaking. angel

But that doesn't stopped me getting wound up that they are still scamming us and giving us the same bull sh*t about roads and speed! ranting

havoc

33,482 posts

265 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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This is bad news. These things are hard to spot, as cheap as a GATSO, and can be mounted out-of-reach of vandals. By the time you spot it it'll be too late, and they're potentially portable too.

A GPS system makes more sense now than ever for statics, but as this is passive the portable ones wouldn't show up even on a (probably now illegal) detector. If these start going up around your way you have a few options:-
- Buy a bike (but see this week's MCN)
- Fake # plate (but illegal)
- No # plate (again illegal)
- Unreg'd car (again illegal)
- Move
- Emigrate
- Buy a bus pass
...as the chances of enjoying your driving without losing your licence could well disappear.

WTF has this regime got against speeding? Would that they put half the resources into combatting burglary, or violent crime.

hilly10

7,540 posts

258 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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We should revolt its just getting plain stupid now. Every year they push a little bit more hoping we do not notice,soon you may as well get a push bike. Wait till pay as you drive comes. Motorist just one big TAX COW

ashes

628 posts

284 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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I do wonder if this speeding obsession came out of a 'working-class' hatred of toffs in their fast cars mowing down the peasantry!

Now its the peasants paying the price

80bob

101 posts

280 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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And this despite last weeks admission by the Dept of Transport that only 5% of accidents are caused by driving over the speed limit. Yet more pointless 'road safety' but, hey, it generates plenty of cash and in the end that's all our Labore friends care about.

Gruffy

7,212 posts

289 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Safe Speed said:
Research commissioned by the Highways Agency, the largest of its kind, associated average speed cameras with a 4.5 per cent increase in crashes in motorway road works sections, and a 6.7 per cent increase in crashes on open motorways.

You would have hoped that data like that would make the decision makers see sense. This mess has been going on for so longer I imagine they are blind to the possibility of the scamera system being flawed?

patently

111 posts

244 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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[quote]the AA Trust said that the system would cut down on people driving into trees and undertaking rash overtaking manoeuvres on single carriageway roads.[/quote]

Eh? Does it lean in through the window and help you steer?

I've contacted the AA Trust to ask them to explain this one to me. Their answer is keenly awaited.

apache

39,731 posts

314 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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I say bring it on.
The number of accidents this'll cause will escalate hugely, people will see something they're not too sure about up a pole and jump on the anchors.

The number of licences requiring 'processing' will bring the system to a halt.

It will become obvious to people as stupid even as Monbiot that this is not working and peoples lives are being ruined for the sake of a load of spin.

The amount of people taking it to court will cause that to back up too

stubby pete

2,488 posts

276 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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apache said:
I say bring it on.
The number of accidents this'll cause will escalate hugely, people will see something they're not too sure about up a pole and jump on the anchors.

The number of licences requiring 'processing' will bring the system to a halt.

It will become obvious to people as stupid even as Monbiot that this is not working and peoples lives are being ruined for the sake of a load of spin.

The amount of people taking it to court will cause that to back up too


The processing of licences now involves someone writing in the endorsement in Biro!!!!

I didn't beleive this until I was shown one by a friend of mine.

Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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There will come a tipping point at which people will no longer accept this. It will come when sufficient of the idiots who think speeding is bad, by which they mean driving at over 70 mph, are caught speeding at 40 mph, their habitual speed, in villages and urban areas.

andyps

7,819 posts

312 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Where are PIPS based?

Maybe it is time there were some protests outside the manufacturers of this type of device. I am not suggesting anything illegal, but comparisons could be drawn between these companies and those the animal rights campaigners seek to expose. PIPS are affecting human rights after all.

oagent

2,282 posts

273 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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Sounds like its going to cause a hell of a lot more accidents to me.
There will be 2 groups of motorist now:
1. Those who make every effort to drive EXACTLY on the speed limit, this will involve checking the speedo every 5 seconds and not looking at the road (safe eh!)

2. Those who drive safely (ie not looking at the speedo constantly) but when they do spot one of these little babies they will want to make sure their average speed is sufficiently low to fall under the radar, hence they will go from crusing at 65 in a 60 limit, to 10mph as they pass the camera. At best this will cause massive tailbacks on todays busy roads. At worse it will cause loads of rear end shuts near these cameras.

toni896

2,188 posts

256 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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nothing on website about speed control but they do ANPR

www.pipstechnology.co.uk/products.php?section_id=5&article_id=30

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Wednesday 11th October 2006
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80bob said:
And this despite last weeks admission by the Dept of Transport that only 5% of accidents are caused by driving over the speed limit. Yet more pointless 'road safety' but, hey, it generates plenty of cash and in the end that's all our Labore friends care about.


Now that's the real point. The government, in an unusual outbreak of honesty even admitted only 5%, but still press ahead with a scheme which addresses what they have now said is the most minor causes of accidents. But, and I guess this may be the most significant factor, rolleyes it's the only one where significant easy revenue is to be had (and, even worse, from the statistically safer driver).