Automatic number plate readers
Automatic number plate readers
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Scoop940

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3,967 posts

257 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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I did hear sometime ago that the Automatic numberplate readers struggled with square plates or those off centre. Anyone know if this is actually the case? Or just another urban myth..

Ta

Feel free to curse me if this has been asked a million times before!

ohopkins

708 posts

270 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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Urban Myth.

What they really struggle with is Black electrical tape strageically appied.

stevieb

5,253 posts

297 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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Only the older generation equipment finds it hard to establish the number plate. but more modern ANPR algoritms can find them effectively.

thepassenger

6,962 posts

265 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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The private company I worked for that was developing the technology for petrol stations (so does the same as the Police one but the database is for drive offs rather than anything else)... couldn't see yellow, or rather a yellow car would stop the system finding the rear plate to read.

I'm pretty sure the Police version, not being cobbled together in a hurry doesn't have that problem though lol

john57

1,870 posts

258 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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For info, the ANPR system I was using yesterday didn't have trouble with any colour of car or shape / location of numberplate ......

g_stacey

644 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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So lets assume the plate is dirty, electrical tape, GB sticker, number plate bolts, wet leaf, mars bar wrapper etc unreadable, do you still get pulled?

G

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

274 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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john57 said:
For info, the ANPR system I was using yesterday didn't have trouble with any colour of car or shape / location of numberplate ......

I suspect the judiciously applied black insulating tape would have buggered it royally though.

jimx19

32 posts

263 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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What about a 'rally replica' car with lots of sponsorship decals on the bodywork - would this fox the system?

cptsideways

13,887 posts

282 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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jimx19 said:
What about a 'rally replica' car with lots of sponsorship decals on the bodywork - would this fox the system?


Yes!!

tigger1

8,476 posts

251 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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I have a horrible feeling that my number plate might be very sticky when passing through the forest next...

john57

1,870 posts

258 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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g_stacey said:
So lets assume the plate is dirty, electrical tape, GB sticker, number plate bolts, wet leaf, mars bar wrapper etc unreadable, do you still get pulled?

G


Yes, if obviously altered .....

Flat in Fifth

48,902 posts

281 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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Of course if someone has a legal plate but it just happens to be on the wrong car nobody notices as 'Computer says yes.'

mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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Flat in Fifth said:
Of course if someone has a legal plate but it just happens to be on the wrong car nobody notices as 'Computer says yes.'


Depends if its a manned anpr with intercept team. Even if not and someone reviews them (which happens as well) and it clearly a transit not a corsa then an info report gets on and the car does get stopped. Also if you do have incorrectly spaced letters etc you now face large fines and if its personal plate it could be taken off you altogether.

Any plate not read can be entered manually and if its unreadable then you get pulled and if you have altered your plate i'd suggest you get to spend rather a lot of time with the officers at the roadside and maybe if your really lucky get a nice en-suite room with room service.

number 7

4,113 posts

292 months

Thursday 12th October 2006
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mr_annie_vxr said:
[quote=Flat in Fifth] maybe if your really lucky get a nice en-suite room with room service.


Not likely now that all the cells will be used for "real" criminals as the prisons are full

7.

Flat in Fifth

48,902 posts

281 months

Friday 13th October 2006
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mr_annie_vxr said:
Flat in Fifth said:
Of course if someone has a legal plate but it just happens to be on the wrong car nobody notices as 'Computer says yes.'

Depends if its a manned anpr with intercept team.

OK perhaps should have explained a bit more.

We've had a number of vehicles in our fleet cloned now. So far all except one have been the plate from a Ford/Volvo on a Beemer scenario, which is a pain until it's resolved and we can get a new VRN out of Swansea.

Two of the cloned vehicles were used in armed robberies which meant the drivers being hauled out of their scratchers in the early hours.

One of these two was the scenario which really worries me. Cloned plate on same make, model and a colour near enough to original. Ford might call it Oyster Silver but it looks a bronze metallic to most people such as witnesses / cameras.

Of course it doesn't help that when asking people what type of car it was the answer is blue. (and it turns out to be green !) No chance on make / model etc. And it's not just the girls that are guilty. hehe

rodney59

424 posts

278 months

Friday 13th October 2006
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mr_annie_vxr said:


Depends if its a manned anpr with intercept team. Even if not and someone reviews them (which happens as well) and it clearly a transit not a corsa then an info report gets on and the car does get stopped. Also if you do have incorrectly spaced letters etc you now face large fines and if its personal plate it could be taken off you altogether.



With all these ANPR around then how come I see numbers of cars (maybe twice/three times a week) on my 18 mile journey to/from work?
Either the spacing is done to make a letter as in (13 to make a B) or the font is non standard??

Scoop940

Original Poster:

3,967 posts

257 months

Friday 13th October 2006
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Do they ever get confused with say 5'ss and S's?

Saw a plate the other day along along the lines of 55SS BEV could be easily mistaken with S555 BEV etc..

Is it still a 30quid non endorsable fine for no number plate?

mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Saturday 14th October 2006
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Flat in Fifth said:
mr_annie_vxr said:
Flat in Fifth said:
Of course if someone has a legal plate but it just happens to be on the wrong car nobody notices as 'Computer says yes.'

Depends if its a manned anpr with intercept team.

OK perhaps should have explained a bit more.

We've had a number of vehicles in our fleet cloned now. So far all except one have been the plate from a Ford/Volvo on a Beemer scenario, which is a pain until it's resolved and we can get a new VRN out of Swansea.

Two of the cloned vehicles were used in armed robberies which meant the drivers being hauled out of their scratchers in the early hours.

One of these two was the scenario which really worries me. Cloned plate on same make, model and a colour near enough to original. Ford might call it Oyster Silver but it looks a bronze metallic to most people such as witnesses / cameras.

Of course it doesn't help that when asking people what type of car it was the answer is blue. (and it turns out to be green !) No chance on make / model etc. And it's not just the girls that are guilty. hehe


That is a problem. You probaby would get a knock at the door. If its an armed robbery... well visit from some men with overalls and gas masks may also happen. This is not un-common though. Most people in stolen cars nowdays just change the number plate. I have recovered in a period of 6 months a year or so back about 150,000 pounds worth of vehicles where they were brand new stolen cars but with just a number plate on them. Its almost to hard now to 'ring' a motor. Easier just to drive round in a cloned vehicle and as long as you break no limits or get stopped and thoroughly checked you will probably get away with it.

swisss

112 posts

253 months

Saturday 14th October 2006
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mr_annie_vxr said:
Also if you do have incorrectly spaced letters etc you now face large fines and if its personal plate it could be taken off you altogether.

Any plate not read can be entered manually and if its unreadable then you get pulled and if you have altered your plate i'd suggest you get to spend rather a lot of time with the officers at the roadside and maybe if your really lucky get a nice en-suite room with room service.



A chap I work with drives into the met congestion zone every day with an altered space plate. Never been mentioned.... What's the truth about these things? Will BIBs really be bothered going after mis-spaced plates that make a car 'more' recognisable? Or will they concentrate on catching baddies?

mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Saturday 14th October 2006
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swisss said:
mr_annie_vxr said:
Also if you do have incorrectly spaced letters etc you now face large fines and if its personal plate it could be taken off you altogether.

Any plate not read can be entered manually and if its unreadable then you get pulled and if you have altered your plate i'd suggest you get to spend rather a lot of time with the officers at the roadside and maybe if your really lucky get a nice en-suite room with room service.



A chap I work with drives into the met congestion zone every day with an altered space plate. Never been mentioned.... What's the truth about these things? Will BIBs really be bothered going after mis-spaced plates that make a car 'more' recognisable? Or will they concentrate on catching baddies?


Depends what the reason is for the spacing and if the plate is still readable. Some are, even with bad spacing. Also I guess if he had avoided the charge every day he could face some sort of fine?