Parking ticket - same as Tennis?

[superlightr]

Got a lovely parking ticket yesterday for not parking within the marked bay. On street parking with council parking attendants in long bays.

My wheels were overlapping the outside of the marked bay ie the width. Part of the rear tyre was in, part on and part over the line. (295mm tyres) The car is 1830mm wide.

I had parked about 110mm (4.5 inches) from the curb, so not to overlapp the pavement with my wingmirror or to clip and damage my wheels on the curb.

So yes I could have got a bit closer in, about 2 inches but as in Tennis if its on the line is it in?

I have written to appeal to the council first. I suspect that the width of the bay is narrower than my car taking into account the wing mirrors.

So do they measure if your in by your tyres or the wingmirrors/overhangs of the car.

Views or pointers to any specific legislation on how wide bays are required to be and how to measure the offending vehicle would be appreciated.

Regards
Super.R

[tigger1]

You cannot be fing serious!

Would have thought that it is the tyres - sure it is when considering if you're ona yellow line.

If you were on the line then that ball (car) was in!

[eliminator]

I had a tickt in similar circumstances in London. Parked a motorcycle (both weels in a bay) used the side stand (wholly in the bay) and was ticketed for overhanging outside the bay (bike on a slant, see?). I overhung 6" of space from the line edging the bay to a curb, containging rubbish not swept up that morning. Appeal turned down. I gave up and contributed £40 I am sure was not due.

[superlightr]

eliminator said:

I had a tickt in similar circumstances in London. Parked a motorcycle (both weels in a bay) used the side stand (wholly in the bay) and was ticketed for overhanging outside the bay (bike on a slant, see?). I overhung 6" of space from the line edging the bay to a curb, containging rubbish not swept up that morning. Appeal turned down. I gave up and contributed £40 I am sure was not due.

sounds like I'm stuffed

[7db]

I think most road traffic lines are open limits (ie the line is not allowed) - double whites certainly are.

But with parking this is mostly council based FPNs rather than any form of law so you're screwed either way. Best to run over any traffic wardens you see, just to be sure.

[Nick_F]

I reckon you've had your chips unless you can show that the bay is undersize. Not ure where the dimensions are laid down, though.

[Dwight VanDriver]

Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 diagrams 1032 1033

http://tinyurl.com/yfgfop

dvd

[superlightr]

Dwight VanDriver said:

Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 diagrams 1032 1033

http://tinyurl.com/yfgfop

dvd

Thank you.

So it looks like the bay should be 2700mm but may be reduced to a min of 1800 depending on the width of the road/traffic.

Sounds like a tape measure job for me.

But is crux is being on the line in or out? overlapping in/on and out all at the same time!

Any regs on this? or down to if its sunny or what breakfast they had that day
I will post a pic when I get home which i took at the time.

The bays are not marked out exactly like that, mine having a broken line along the whole length of the bay (length ways) and no dividing lines seperating the bays.

Not being as prescribed in the 1032 sch6 road marking - does this make them invalid? (presume as they are Directions they are for guidence only and some variation will be allowed?)

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:18

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:19

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:20

[tigger1]

superlightr said:

The bays are not marked out exactly like that, mine having a broken line along the whole length of the bay (length ways) and no dividing lines seperating the bays.

Not being as prescribed in the 1032 sch6 road marking - does this make them invalid? (presume as they are Directions they are for guidence only and some variation will be allowed?)

Yes, this would make it invalid, if it's not a properly marked bay

[Dwight VanDriver]

Go to your local authority and ask to inspect the Traffic regulation Order authorising that particular area.

IIRC correctly it will also state what is and what is not permitted.

In general if you do not park within the limnits then expect a ticket.

dvd

[herewego]

superlightr said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 diagrams 1032 1033

http://tinyurl.com/yfgfop

dvd

Thank you.

So it looks like the bay should be 2700mm but may be reduced to a min of 1800 depending on the width of the road/traffic.

Sounds like a tape measure job for me.

But is crux is being on the line in or out? overlapping in/on and out all at the same time!

Any regs on this? or down to if its sunny or what breakfast they had that day
I will post a pic when I get home which i took at the time.

The bays are not marked out exactly like that, mine having a broken line along the whole length of the bay (length ways) and no dividing lines seperating the bays.

Not being as prescribed in the 1032 sch6 road marking - does this make them invalid? (presume as they are Directions they are for guidence only and some variation will be allowed?)

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:18

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:19

Edited by superlightr on Tuesday 17th October 16:20

That diagram says "marked with individual spaces". There may be another diagram not so marked.

[Gixer]

Time we all bought hummers (the real ones not the GM one), that would F**k'em. Too wide to parj within any bay, too big to lift, too big to clamp....

[7db]

TSRGD won't apply in all its rigour if it's decriminalised parking, of course.

[Rob_the_Sparky]

Well if it were 1800mm and your car is 1830mm wide plus 4.5 inches from the curb then it would not fit by some margin therefore it is unlikely that the bay is under 1800...

[herewego]

Rob_the_Sparky said:

Well if it were 1800mm and your car is 1830mm wide plus 4.5 inches from the curb then it would not fit by some margin therefore it is unlikely that the bay is under 1800...

It does make parking a bit more difficult for people who've bought an unusually wide car. They don't know the width of the parking space until they've parked and found it doesn't fit. Then they have to move and find another space which may again be too narrow. That's life.

[sjp63]

Criminal! they should lock you up and throw away the key!!!

opps they probably will these days as it helps the crime figures.

[justinp1]

I would go back with a tape measure and a camera.

Regardless of your road position, my way forward would be to see if the bay was a centimetre too small and thus unenforcable.

[Parrot of Doom]

justinp1 said:

I would go back with a tape measure and a camera.

Regardless of your road position, my way forward would be to see if the bay was a centimetre too small and thus unenforcable.

Exactly, also make sure that the signage is correct, and that the painted white lines are laid down precisely as required in the law.

[SuperlightR]

justinp1 said:

I would go back with a tape measure and a camera.

Regardless of your road position, my way forward would be to see if the bay was a centimetre too small and thus unenforcable.

Hey Guess what??

Mister tape measure was out tonight. Took a sample of 2 measurements the first where I parked and the 2nd 10 meters up the road.

The outside edge of the bay from the curb varies from: (width of line is 4 cm.

174cm inside edge of the line
178 outside edge of the line
(where I parked)
and

177cm inside edge of the line
181cm outside edge of the line

So its smaller than the minimum standard, and I could not have parked there without overlapping the line in any event.

http://img454.imageshack.us/my.php?im

Good ground for a challange?? Photo taken immediatly on finding ticket.

Edited by SuperlightR on Wednesday 18th October 00:24

Edited by SuperlightR on Wednesday 18th October 00:26

Edited by SuperlightR on Wednesday 18th October 00:28

[herewego]

Painting the lines at the wrong width must make them unenforceable. I wouldn't use the width of your car as an excuse, because I can't see its relevance. Is there a specific restriction on parking on the pavement when there are marked out bays?