ITV: Driven to lazy programming
ITV: Driven to lazy programming
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Mr_Thyroid

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1,995 posts

256 months

Monday 23rd October 2006
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Typical of ITV's lowest common denominator style of programming.

Why was Murry doing the voice over, surely if James-Schumilover-Allen had a use it was to make an indepth and detailed analysis of Michaels career. Is this move by ITV a vote of no confidence for Allen.




Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Monday 23 October 23:54

heebeegeetee

30,121 posts

277 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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What an awful programme. 35 minutes on him, and still I feel I hardly no him.

How come, in 16 years that Schumi's been in F1, British tv has never let me see anything more than soundbites from Ross Brawn, or an indepth interview with Ferrari personnel or Jean Todt?

fozzi

3,773 posts

269 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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Get real guys, it was a 30 minute review of his career, nothing more.... if you want the in-depth analysis, buy the book and DVD when they come out!

And why not Murray?... He has been the voice of British motorsport for 30+ years!

Edited by fozzi on Tuesday 24th October 03:47

Nicol@

3,851 posts

265 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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The programme was clearly not created by a fan.

I thought it was poor and failed to show Michaels high points.

Marc W

3,782 posts

240 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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There were lots of mistakes with film clips they were showing. Eg at one point they were talking about him winning Monza 97 when the car in the clip was clearly the 96 car.

ds240

5,651 posts

247 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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I agree. I couldn't believe the program was only 30 mins long. It was very very poor. The scope for producing a decent documentary was there and they just gave us this thin review of his career. I've never liked Walker either and this just finished the program off. Why he was the voice of motor racing for 30 years, I don't know. He just made mistake after mistake when commentating.

ITV could have done so much better than this.

timbob

2,205 posts

281 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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ds240 said:
I agree. I couldn't believe the program was only 30 mins long. It was very very poor. The scope for producing a decent documentary was there and they just gave us this thin review of his career. I've never liked Walker either and this just finished the program off. Why he was the voice of motor racing for 30 years, I don't know. He just made mistake after mistake when commentating.

ITV could have done so much better than this.


Murray Walker was fantastic, a million times better than James Allen. He knew what he was on about, just got a little overexcited on occasion!

But I agree the programme was rubbbish. They could have made a 1 hour+ quality documentary about Schumi - showing some of his earlier stuff - F3, sportscards etc. Instead they gave us a quick half an hour review of his F1 career. I was pretty disappointed.

rubystone

11,254 posts

288 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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timbob said:
[quote=ds240]

Murray Walker was fantastic, a million times better than James Allen. He knew what he was on about, just got a little overexcited on occasion!



Do you really think so? I personally don't think he as good technically as James Allen.

Gemm

1,833 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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Yes, Murray was great (when he was commentating) but unfortunately he was only reading a script in the programme.

HiRich

3,337 posts

291 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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Mr_Thyroid said:
Why was Murry doing the voice over, surely if James-Schumilover-Allen had a use it was to make an indepth and detailed analysis of Michaels career. Is this move by ITV a vote of no confidence for Allen.

Perhaps because the voiceover was done Monday morning, when "The Cock" was just landing at Heathrow?

ds240

5,651 posts

247 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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Wait.. anyone is better than James Allen, so comparing the two is not really very conclusive. Walker just made mistake after mistake. I just did not like his commentating, personal opinion.

When eurosport had their rights to cover F1, I would never listen to BBC. Ben Edwards and John Watson did a fantastic job. The current Moto Gp team is a good example of a commentating team.

If fact I find most of the ITV team annoying. Allen, Goodman and the other bloke in the pits. Steve Ryder and Brundle and Blundell are good.

What would be good, is if they brought back the F1 channel on sky. The commentary was brilliant and the different angles available. Can't believe they just scrapped it after one year.

Mr_Thyroid

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1,995 posts

256 months

Tuesday 24th October 2006
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I dislike James Allens over egging commentary style but I believe that he could do a good job in preparing a programme such as this. After all he has written a book on the subject of Schu.

kevin ritson

3,423 posts

256 months

Wednesday 25th October 2006
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Just dug out the documentary the BBC did on Schuey after he won his second championship in 1995. Very similar to the Senna one they did the year before. Excellent film, lots of in-depth interviews with Hill, Coulthard, Herbert and Brundle, plus Jochen Mass, Frentzen and the Bennetton team (so amusing to see Pat Symonds and especially Flav talking about him, plus Brawn in blue livery)

Then there's a bit with Johnathan Palmer explaining telemetry traces between Schuey and Herbert plus an ongoing interview with the man himself - who looked very young and wide-eyed then!

Also interesting is the analysis of Adelaide '94 - at the time not seen in context with Jerez '97, so the accusations were more mutterings and qualified with statements that "most other drivers would have done similar"

Just a shame that ITV cannot match the superb documentaries that the Beeb routinely put out and the Beeb no longer have an interest in anything as vulgar as cars...

steviebee

15,278 posts

284 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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heebeegeetee said:
How come, in 16 years that Schumi's been in F1, British tv has never let me see anything more than soundbites from Ross Brawn, or an indepth interview with Ferrari personnel or Jean Todt?


Because Willi Webber signed a lucrative deal with RTL (German TV) that gives them near exclusive access to the driver at each GP.

Jam Rock

460 posts

239 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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i agree wholeheartidly with what has been said, the program was crap and not befitting a seven time world champ. Itv is a Joke. I remember a BBC Senna documentary from a few years ago that i taped and watched over and over it was fantastic, really wanted something like that for Shui but alas, half an hour of some bitter ave ex F1 driver and an old fart carrying on with himself, I wish the F1 would go back on the Beeb, as their moto gp coverage is very good (and no bloody adverts!)

heebeegeetee

30,121 posts

277 months

Thursday 26th October 2006
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steviebee said:
heebeegeetee said:
How come, in 16 years that Schumi's been in F1, British tv has never let me see anything more than soundbites from Ross Brawn, or an indepth interview with Ferrari personnel or Jean Todt?


Because Willi Webber signed a lucrative deal with RTL (German TV) that gives them near exclusive access to the driver at each GP.


And what about the rest of the year, the 33 remaining weekends?

And in actual fact, I said Brawn, Todt and other ferrari personnel.